I asked a UAL guy why we didn't hear of UAL guys taking lump sums as the Delta guys are doing. He said the reason few, if any, UAL guys were taking lump sums was that Delta had a completely different formula in their pension plan. I got lost in the details but the short story was that UAL's formula ended up not having much for someone to take out in lump sum and the lump sum was so pathetic that you might as well ride things out.