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[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Continental chief touts United combo
No talks in works; United sees industry `benefit' in mergers

Bloomberg News
Published December 9, 2005


NEW YORK -- The flight networks of Continental Airlines and United Airlines would make a "knock-em-dead combination" if the carriers were to merge, Continental Chief Financial Officer Jeff Misner said.

Continental prefers to stay independent, Misner said, and a United spokeswoman said it hasn't made any offer for Continental.

If United were to offer a "bucket of dough," Continental would consider it, Misner told an investors conference Thursday. "We're not going to sit by and have the world rush by."

The combined companies would better cover the world by putting together Continental's strongest markets--in Latin America, Europe, the East Coast and the South--with United's network in Asia, Europe and the Midwest and West. Houston-based Continental is the nation's fifth-largest airline, and United is the second biggest.

Competition and too much capacity in the U.S. airline industry have held down air fares and helped push Elk Grove Township-based United and other carriers into bankruptcy. Industry executives and analysts have said consolidation, such as the September merger of US Airways and America West, is likely to continue.

"Prospects for industry consolidation appear somewhat better moving into 2006 given the surprisingly strong availability of equity capital" and the easing of scrutiny by antitrust regulators, Fitch Ratings' Bill Warlick said in a report Wednesday.

Delta Air Lines and Northwest Airlines, the nation's third- and fourth-largest carriers, sought Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in September.

The biggest U.S. airlines have had $40 billion in losses from 2001 through the third quarter of 2005, partly because of more competition from discount airlines and an increase in fuel costs.

"We believe the industry would benefit from thoughtful consolidation," said Jean Medina, a United spokeswoman. "We're focused on completing our bankruptcy and exiting in February."

While merging airlines would be good for the industry, it's a "terribly disruptive, complicated process," Misner said.

Copyright © 2005, Chicago Tribune
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Ahhhh, just what we need. A new and refreshing perspective on how to operate a sucessful airline through M&A.
 
Ex737Driver said:
Ahhhh, just what we need. A new and refreshing perspective on how to operate a sucessful airline through M&A.

Success is in the eye of the beholder! The lawyers, executives, and bankers are probably seeing the last three years at UAL as a resounding success. They managed to break labor, hand over pension obligations to the taxpayer, and all the while raking in huge bucks. They'll be raising toasts on New Year's Eve saying "could it have been any better? No!"

Next!
 
densoo said:
Success is in the eye of the beholder! The lawyers, executives, and bankers are probably seeing the last three years at UAL as a resounding success. They managed to break labor, hand over pension obligations to the taxpayer, and all the while raking in huge bucks. They'll be raising toasts on New Year's Eve saying "could it have been any better? No!"

Next!

Nice analysis, sadly all too true. I'll second Patriots 328's feelings, although it was Your CFO who was gushing about the possible combo. Good luck
 
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Boeingman said:

I can't begin to imagine how much a CAL/UAL merger would suck for someone who is at CAL, let alone a new hire. How far back do United's furloughs go? How would they put the list together? 25-28% of the CAL list will retire in the next ten years. 4-5 yr upgrade projected for newhires here now. A 31-ish yr old new hire today will retire in the top 50-100 at CAL as it stands. Can't imagine what would happen if the airlines merged. The Great Walls of China and St. Louis might look like a pickett fence compared to this.


Rumor that's at least 4 people removed: UAL told it's MEC to contact CAL's MEC about discussing merging lists *in case* a deal goes through, which would imply they are deeply looking at it.


My non-voting-back-on-probation-a$$ would love to tell them to shove it.
 
Merger and Friendly rarely go together in the same sentence :).

I agree it would be total fubar for the pilot integration. I believe our most junior pilot recieving a recall is a Oct 99 hire. With the planned 300+ next year and our current acceptance rate....who know's.

Best of luck in your probationary year and congrats on your job.
 
The best merger is when everyone is pissed equally. Sucks
 
koko nw said:
Merger and Friendly rarely go together in the same sentence :).

Best of luck in your probationary year and congrats on your job.


LOL how true. We'll see what happens.


Never a dull moment :)
 
Past history of mergers has not faired well for those on furlough. There have been a couple of examples of new hires going ahead of pilots on furlough no matter what their date of hire was.

Face it, the only folks happy during one of these mergers are the lawyers and the bankers. Not to mention management types who will walk off with millions in golden parachutes. If ALPA was smart at both carriers we wouldn't let them play the fractionalization card, unite and insist on adequate protections for both carriers pilots.

Wait, what am I thinking. ALPA hasn't done anything smart or proactive in years. They only react and offer spineless solutions and glad handing to the membership. Dues are the only priority for ALPA.
 
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Unless one MEC(UAL) is stronger than the other(CAL)
 
Oh Boy It feels like 2000 all over again!

(aka...USAir buyout)

UAL coming out of BK and buying CAL? Hmmm....I guess I know where my 60% paycut went to and the 2.5 years of 100% paycut.

At least I have some good friends over at CAL I am sure we will have some fun over this issue in the next few months.

Our last furloughee recalled was a 11/99 hire, I expect we will be into the 2000 hire group within two months or so.
 
Yikes. There are still people at CAL who hail from the old Frontier and remember the "Brain Surgeon" comment. More fun than a barrel 'o monkeys.
 
Cardinal said:
Yikes. There are still people at CAL who hail from the old Frontier and remember the "Brain Surgeon" comment. More fun than a barrel 'o monkeys.

I also remember that one. What about the wonderful TORQUE campaign waged in Denver?

Hopefully most of those with that attitude are either gone or humbled by now.
 
Boeingman said:
I also remember that one. What about the wonderful TORQUE campaign waged in Denver?

Hopefully most of those with that attitude are either gone or humbled by now.

Can you inform the ones that were in elementary school when this was going on?
 
Boeingman said:
I also remember that one. What about the wonderful TORQUE campaign waged in Denver?

Hopefully most of those with that attitude are either gone or humbled by now.


Um yeah...that was WAY before my time.

I did fly with a few Old CAL types on the B727 that walked away form CAL during the strike in 83'
 
I wouldn't worry about this at all. NWA still owns the "golden share" of CAL, and can veto any corporate transaction that isn't in NWAs best interest.

Nu
 
NWA now owns 1 share of CAL's Series B Prefered stock it states in the SEC filing on 10/20/05


"Subject to restrictions and limitations contained in our charter, the preferred stock purchase rights should not interfere with any merger or business combination approved by our board of directors, because we may redeem the preferred stock purchase rights at the redemption price prior to the time that a person has become an acquiring person or amend the preferred stock purchase rights to make them inapplicable to the approved transaction."
-CAL SEC Filing 10/20/05
 

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