Ual and cal alpa should

[ATRCA]

Do not cooaperate with management, wait, have them Keep both companies separate, UAL management eventually will recall all of their pilots or whoever comes back, 30% max will come back I think.

Then merge with relative seniority like Delta did with NWA.

No raise till then and no pilot will be f---d.





My 2 cents

I agree! Lets keep the separate for another 24 months minimum. CAL takes all of it's scheduled deliveries, UAL takes theirs (zero), UAL furloughed pilots are not recalled to CAL and CAL hires off the street. In a few years we'll get back to the SLI, after the TPA expires. This sounds perfectly fair to me.

I think we can all agree on this right?

 

[Jetjockey]

Do not cooaperate with management, wait, have them Keep both companies separate, UAL management eventually will recall all of their pilots or whoever comes back, 30% max will come back I think.

Then merge with relative seniority like Delta did with NWA.

No raise till then and no pilot will be f---d.





My 2 cents

Huh?????

 

[Flopgut]

How about no one discuss SLI until the contract is done?! Do the right thing on the contract and everybody will have a spot on the list that is worth coming back to...

 

[eaglesview]

I agree! Lets keep the separate for another 24 months minimum. CAL takes all of it's scheduled deliveries, UAL takes theirs (zero), UAL furloughed pilots are not recalled to CAL and CAL hires off the street. In a few years we'll get back to the SLI, after the TPA expires. This sounds perfectly fair to me.

I think we can all agree on this right?

The sacred "snapshot" has already been taken. CO can take ALL of their deliveries and still won't have the widebodies UA has.

 

[eaglesview]

Is united starting to go the way of USAIR east??

Bc that sounded like it-

If you've been hanging out at the bottom of united since 9/11, how do you not know you're exposed? How can you have the expectation of something better than relative?

The breaks suck- but do any UAL pilots want to lobby alpa to go back to a straight DOH policy. B/c you can't contemplate a merger with the old USAIR and be all about relative or better, and then 10 years later actually merge w/ CO and want more credit for longevity. It's a flimsy deal to always make the argument that suits you.

But you do have the democratic numbers over CO, just like the east and west.
I'd love to see some commitment out of UAL guys that they won't go that route. Bc none of can afford two of them.

Because anyone that thinks UA didn't get rid of all it's 737's, including models that CO flies today just to make the merger happen is nuts. Also ALPA does now have LOS in the merger agreement. So you tell me how you tell the right seat narrow body pilot at UA who will end up in the left seat on a widebody in the end that he should give that up to some CO pilot that would other wise have not.

 

[eaglesview]

How about no one discuss SLI until the contract is done?! Do the right thing on the contract and everybody will have a spot on the list that is worth coming back to...

You are correct in theory but I doubt there will be much agreement on what the right thing is.

 

[Deerkiller]

edit: I'm not gonna get into a back in forth in regard to the list. The arbitrator will decide.

 

[Flopgut]

You are correct in theory but I doubt there will be much agreement on what the right thing is.

I think there will be. There should be a lot of good spots for everybody to settle into.

And check your PMs....

 

[davessn763]

Longevity argument will be moot soon anyway because all of the ual furloughs will have less time on property than the most junior CAL pilot.

The recently returned furloughs at CAL have about 6-12 months of longevity.

 

[ATRCA]

The sacred "snapshot" has already been taken. CO can take ALL of their deliveries and still won't have the widebodies UA has.

That's a good one. BTW, how many widebodies did AWA have?