type ratings

[corky]

Question,

Does getting a type on your commercial ticket carry over to the ATP after you earn the ATP?

I'm getting a 717 type but it's going to be on my CMI.

 

[Cornelius]

No, not unless you do your ATP ride in the 717 later on down the road. You may want to wait until you have your ATP to save time and money.

 

[gubernator]

WRONG

Wrong. Read FAR 61.157(d).

 

[ksu_aviator]

Cornelius is right on. The only thing that transfers to you ATP from your commercial is the aircraft type, category and class that you do the ride in. So if you had a type in a 717 and did your ATP in a Lear 35, you would have an ATP Multi-engine land with a Lear 35 type and a Commercial Multi/single land with a 717 type.

Clear as mud!

 

[corky]

KSU,

That's what I've been told by others but can't find a reg that specifies that.

The only thing I see is what gubernator referenced in 61.157 which clearly states the type rating transfers as long as the ATP is done in the same category and class...ie..multi engine airplane.

 

[avbug]

Gubernator is correct. If Corky obtains a 717 type rating on the commercial certificate, it will automatically be given ATP privileges upon passing the ATP practical test in the same category and class of aircraft. It is NOT necessary to pass a checkride in that particular type.

For example, if a pilot holds a 717 type on his commercial certificate, but passes the ATP checkride in a 737, the ATP will show type ratings for both the 717 and 737. That pilot will hold ATP privileges in both the 717 and 737. This occurs automatically, without additional paperwork or a separate request.

14 CFR 61.157(d):

"Upgrading type ratings. Any type rating(s) on the pilot certificate of an applicant who successfully completes an airline transport pilot practical test shall be included on the airline transport pilot certificate with the privileges and limitations of the airline transport pilot certificate, provided the applicant passes the practical test in the same category and class of aircraft for which the applicant holds the type rating(s). However, if a type rating for that category and class of aircraft on the superseded pilot certificate is limited to VFR, that limitation shall be carried forward to the person's airline transport pilot certificate level."

 

[gubernator]

Also see p. 242 of the FAA's Part 61 FAQ (available at http://av-info.faa.gov/data/640otherfaq/pt61-16.pdf).

Here's the relevant part:

QUESTION: An applicant is applying for an ATP certificate with an airplane multiengine land rating. The person currently holds the following certificate and ratings:

Commercial Pilot
Airplane Single and Multiengine Land
DC-3 (Limited to VFR)

This person satisfactorily accomplishes the ATP practical test in a Cessna 402. What will the person’s ATP certificate read like?

ANSWER: Ref. §61.157(d); The certificate will read as follows:

Airline Transport Pilot
Airplane Multiengine Land
DC3 (Limited to VFR)

Commercial Pilot Privileges
Airplane Single Engine Land

 

[avbug]

Use some caution with the FAQ site. Those who maintain it are very kowledgable, but the site is largely opinion, and represents no legal stance on the subject. Otherwise, it's a handy reference, so long as the material is taken with a grain of salt.

 

[414Flyer]

Yes, if you have type ratings with no restrictions on a commercial license, and you take earn your ATP, those type ratings are included automatically on your ATP.

Like was said, if you just have a type rating with VFR restriction, then it the ATP does not apply to that type rating.

So yes, your type ratings will be included under your ATP.

 

[MTOP_set]

maybe Ksu and Corneilus were confused about "Catagory" (airplane, rotorcraft, airship) and class (MEL, SEL) gubernator's reference is right on the mark and easy to read, unlike a lot of CFR. Besides being on the FAQ list, if I recall correctly this question is asked about 6 different ways on the ATP written.

 

[bobbysamd]

Type ratings

Your type rating will carry forward to your ATP. Your type rating is just that, a type rating. It does not relate to the privileges you may exercise as a pilot relative to pay or command of a 121 airliner.

The PTS for ATP and type rating are the same.

For that reason, then, Corky, why don't you wait and do both at the same time? Your profile shows you're nearly there anyway. Two birds with one stone.

Good luck with your type rating.

 

[stingray]

I belive you can do this, take your atp written before your type ride, that way you can get your atp during the ride since its done to atp standards. so i've heard it being done that way

 

[avbug]

Correct. It's done all the time.

 

[bobbysamd]

ATP Ride

And, further to Avbug's comment, in the old (golden?) days of airlines, FOs flew for years with just their Commercial certificates. ATPs were comparatively rare. Virtually no one got the certificate on their own. When FOs finally got their captain upgrade, they took their ATP ride with their airline.

I remember about that about fifteen years ago the commuters were hiring with 1500 total and 500 multi. Having just the ATP written, even that recently, gave you an advantage. Then, more and more people started showing up with the ATP and they started making the ATP a requirement.

 

[corky]

Thanks for the responses,

Bobbysamd,
I hear ya. I am ok Total time but I lack a couple hundred cross country. I'm halfway through the training and my employer (Boeing) had a slot to put me through now. Maybe I can do the ATP in the sim later!

 

[banned username 2]

Corky,

Are you working in Boeing's Corporate Flight Department? or in some other capacity?

 

[bobbysamd]

Hey, Corky . . .

Interesting......that explains a lot. Sounds like a prime gig.

Good luck with your training.

 

[corky]

No I'm in engineering....new sim evaluation, aero model development, accident investigation, etc. I left to be an eagle pilot but got furloughed. That took me back!

 

[banned username 2]

You are lucky they took you back... good company....

From the guy I have known who have worked at Eagle, you are better off where you are....

No offense to any Eagle guys out there....

 

[ksu_aviator]

I must have misread it then. I thought only Category and Class transfered. The only place I have ever found an explination for that is in Gliem.