Type Rating Requirements

[User Name]

We have some feds saying that we need 2500hrs. turbojet to get a type rating in a Level C or D simulator. Where is that number coming from? I've searched the regs for an additional rating and it appears there are a variety of ways to meet the requirements to earn a type rating in a Level C or D simulator, but none even require 2500 total time let alone 2500 turbojet. Thanks for your help.

 

[viper548]

The regs may have changed since he looked at them last.

I haven't looked at that reg in a while but if I recall correctly there are no time requirements to get the type in a sim. The hour requirements determine if there will be 25 hours of supervision required.

 

[HMR]

I got a type rating at ~1700TT. Not sure what your Fed is thinking. Why not ask him to show you the reg?

 

[Thedude]

hmmm...the best i remember to get a type, on your ATP, in the SIM is to have 2000TT and 500 hrs in type. That is doing the entire type in the sim and not the 85/15 split.

 

[Lead Sled]

We have some feds saying that we need 2500hrs. turbojet to get a type rating in a Level C or D simulator. Where is that number coming from? I've searched the regs for an additional rating and it appears there are a variety of ways to meet the requirements to earn a type rating in a Level C or D simulator, but none even require 2500 total time let alone 2500 turbojet. Thanks for your help.

I believe that all depends upon the requirements that the particular training center has in its approved curriculum (sp?). There may indeed be some minimum experience levels called for, although 2,500 hours seems a bit much. I believe that FlightSafety has some programs with 1,000 hour minimums.

'Sled

 

[HMR]

In 2003, one of my old students got a type in his CJ1 with ~800TT. He did everything in the sim at FSI. There were some limitations placed on him but he was flying with a low time CFI in the right seat shortly after.

Thedude- I did my entire type and ATP ride in the sim with less than 2000TT/500 in type.

 

[English]

A pilot I know did his Citation type at Simuflite when he was 20 years old and had 700 hours total time. All he had was an SOE limitation (since it was his first type and it was accomplished 100% in the sim).

This was within the last year.

 

[mattpilot]

A pilot I know did his Citation type at Simuflite when he was 20 years old and had 700 hours total time. All he had was an SOE limitation (since it was his first type and it was accomplished 100% in the sim).

This was within the last year.

SOE limitation?

 

[English]

He couldn't be PIC until he had 25 hours of operating experience ACTING as PIC.

 

[viper548]

25 hours of Supervised Operating Experience. Basically, a qualified PIC has to supervise you performing the duties of PIC. You can not be the PIC until the limitation has been removed.

 

[English]

What he said....

 

[JAFI]

Whenever there is a question of "the regs" you should always ask for a reference. From your boss or a Fed.

I have never heard of a "2500 hour" requirement in the FAR's for anything. It sounds more like an insurance requirement to me. Also, it has been my experience that people in the industry who want something done without any questions use the phrase "because the FAA said so". You may want to check your source information on exactly who said what to whom.

You can get a type rating during your first private pilot exam if you are taking the exam in a type rated aircraft. I use the word "can" only because there is nothing in the regs (that I know of) that will not allow you to do so. I do not know of any body that has recieved a type during an initial private exam. I would think the exam would be ... comprehensive.... If you will ever get insurance to fly a type rated aircraft with only 40+ hours is another story.
JAFI

 

[LittleDeuce]

Appendix H

We have some feds saying that we need 2500hrs. turbojet to get a type rating in a Level C or D simulator. Where is that number coming from? I've searched the regs for an additional rating and it appears there are a variety of ways to meet the requirements to earn a type rating in a Level C or D simulator, but none even require 2500 total time let alone 2500 turbojet. Thanks for your help.

The answers you are looking for are in FAR 121 Appendix H The Advanced Simulation Plan. The Fed is correct.

 

[JAFI]

You are correct. (see below copy of 121 appx. H)

I'm not sure about the 2500 hour requirement for a Part 142 school though. I'll have to look that up.

I did not remember ever seeing that requirement for 121.

JAFI


Part 121 Appx. H
Level C
Training and Checking Permitted

1. For all pilots, transition training between airplanes in the same group, and for a pilot in command the certification check required by §61.153(g) this chapter.

2. Upgrade to pilot-in-command training and the certification check when the pilot—

a. Has previously qualified as second in command in the equipment to which the pilot is upgrading;

b. Has at least 500 hours of actual flight time while serving as second in command in an airplane of the same group; and

c. Is currently serving as second in command in an airplane in this same group.

3. Initial pilot-in-command training and the certification check when the pilot—

a. Is currently serving as second in command in an airplane of the same group;

b. Has a minimum of 2,500 flight hours as second in command in an airplane of the same group; and

c. Has served as second in command on at least two airplanes of the same group.

4. For all second-in command pilot applicants who meet the aeronautical experience requirements of §61.159 of this chapter in the airplane, the initial and upgrade training and checking required by this part, and the certification check requirements of §61.153 of this chapter.

 

[HawkerF/O]

Wrong. Not true. Here is the exception. If you have an SOE and you do not have it removed, you can get another type in another aircraft, and that will dump the SOE off of your 1st type. The SOE is only for your 1st type rating. Example, get a lear type. It will have an SOE on it. You never fly the lear, and 6 months later, you return and get a Hawker type. When the Hawker type is issued, the SOE will get removed. If the examiner does not do it, the FAA will catch it before they send you your new certificate. At that point, even if you have never flown either aircraft, legally, you are allowed to go fly as PIC in either aircraft. Not all 1st types have an SOE. There is a list of requirements that will determine whether or not you will have an SOE. If you do get an SOE, there are other requirements that will determine whether or not it will be a 15 or 25 hour SOE.

25 hours of Supervised Operating Experience. Basically, a qualified PIC has to supervise you performing the duties of PIC. You can not be the PIC until the limitation has been removed.