Two week notice right after recurrent?

[brokeflyer]

give them 2 weeks and be gone. The cost of your training is a cost of doing business.

That is why you dont take jobs that make you pay for training. The more pilots that do just make this industry more of sewer.

Dont be cheap, be a professional.

 

[jet2work]

give them 2 weeks and be gone. The cost of your training is a cost of doing business.

That is why you dont take jobs that make you pay for training. The more pilots that do just make this industry more of sewer.

Dont be cheap, be a professional.

I agree on all of the above points. That being said, my guess is that the reason some companies make pilots sign training contracts (not talking PFT) is that they are cheap and not the kind of place you want to work or have been burned by people leaving after getting a type (again - if they weren't cheap why would someone leave?).

Many employers who relocate an employee will require them to to stay for a given length of time. 1-2 years or pay a prorated amount of their relo cost. The last two F500 companies I worked for, this was the case, and it applied to all executives. When I got grossed up for tax purposes, I saw that my relo package was valued at about $30K. This was certainly far less than half the cost of the type ratings they bought for me and did not require me to sign a contract for. One could argue that the relo is the cost of doing business too. I didn't get too hung up about having to sign the relo contract, having had many jobs where I had to foot the cost of moving myself.

 

[Jetdriver69]

I agree to not worry about it. I guarentee you that if the situation was reversed, your company would not hesitate or feel sorry if they had to lay you off two weeks after you attended refresher. In fact, they would probably cancel your refresher so you couldn't maintain currency to save the cash. I've seen it, but what can ya do?

 

[jet2work]

I agree to not worry about it. I guarentee you that if the situation was reversed, your company would not hesitate or feel sorry if they had to lay you off two weeks after you attended refresher. In fact, they would probably cancel your refresher so you couldn't maintain currency to save the cash. I've seen it, but what can ya do?

Yep. I know of guys who were yanked out of initial the day before their type ride when the boss sold the airplane (at a huge profit). Why not let em get the type? Well, maybe you dont want them to go with the plane too. In the end it's all business.

 

[ultrarunner]

Laid off from a closed down flight department, not 121, and no type rating involved.
Thanks for the tips, everybody. Just trying to do the right thing.

You could just ask them NOT to send you to recurrent, and tell them why. That works for everyone! And how simple.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

You could just ask them NOT to send you to recurrent, and tell them why. That works for everyone! And how simple.

We are assuming he didn't have the job until right after the recurrent.

I wouldn't say a peep about a job possibility until its official and you give your notice.

If the job was offered and accepted before recurrent then yes I totally agree with the above.

 

[ultrarunner]

Ahh.....got. I was thinking the other way. As always, in hindsight, I suppose one could always "delay" a recurrent if you thought an offer was imminent, but yeah, I'd agree with you in that you do what you can with respect to this sort of thing.

Ultra

 

[400A]

I would not worry about it. If the Chief Pilot is worried about his training budget, the answer is to hire someone who is current and does not need immediate recurrent. In today's pilot market, that is not hard to do. That is what I did when my co-worker left a month or two after recurrent. He had been with us six years and got a great opportunity. While we hated to lose him, being a one airplane department, it was the only way for him to advance his career. We are still best of friends, and even used him on contract with the new employers blessing a few times.

Now the guy that left 2 weeks after I typed him...... Different story completely.

 

[guido411]

I would not worry about it. If the Chief Pilot is worried about his training budget, the answer is to hire someone who is current and does not need immediate recurrent. In today's pilot market, that is not hard to do. That is what I did when my co-worker left a month or two after recurrent. He had been with us six years and got a great opportunity. While we hated to lose him, being a one airplane department, it was the only way for him to advance his career. We are still best of friends, and even used him on contract with the new employers blessing a few times.

Now the guy that left 2 weeks after I typed him...... Different story completely.

So the guy has been there 6 years, he doesn't owe you anything obviously. You haven't had to pay for an initial for 6 years but then you go cheap out and hire a guy that is current rather than looking for the "right" guy to save a few bucks? Hope my training budget is never that tight.

 

[jet2work]

So the guy has been there 6 years, he doesn't owe you anything obviously. You haven't had to pay for an initial for 6 years but then you go cheap out and hire a guy that is current rather than looking for the "right" guy to save a few bucks? Hope my training budget is never that tight.

^^^^

Comprehension problem.

 

[Wankel7]

The company could cut you in a heartbeat. They would say, "It is nothing personal, it's just business".

 

[Midnight Flyer]

Not a single one, and you shouldn't feel bad in the least. Did you do your job well while you were there? Did you give proper notice? Thank you and good luck!

One cannot time the opportunities in career/life that come along on the way to your goals. Pilots need to be trained, its not a perk or a bonus...and its certainly not an "investment" in you (as you describe above) Its training so that you can do the job we hired you to do. The timing cant be planned. Is it bad timing? yep. Not much you can do about that.

Unfortunately, too many pea-brained pilot manager types DO take these things personally in this business....let them. Keep moving along until you reach where you want to be. Sometimes goodbyes are not pretty, but always stick to proper notice and honesty.

Congrats on the new job!

exactly right.

and my opinion is, that recurrent costs them $0, because they'll run the class anyway, you're just another body sitting in the room breathing air.
The only possible cost is the electricity required to run the sim for your 4 hour checkride.

Take your recurrent, and go to your new job. congrats

 

[DUATS]

Ethical obligations include a 12 month commitment to your employer every time you attend recurrent training. Sorry but you are stuck.

You are kidding, right? The only ethical obligation I see is to notify the old employer of your intention to leave as soon as you have a written offer from the new employer. If that is a week before recurrent, old has the option to cancel. If it is the week after recurrent, there is no ethical obligation to do anything but give proper notice.

 

[guido411]

You are kidding, right? The only ethical obligation I see is to notify the old employer of your intention to leave as soon as you have a written offer from the new employer. If that is a week before recurrent, old has the option to cancel. If it is the week after recurrent, there is no ethical obligation to do anything but give proper notice.

Yes I was kidding. But seriously, I have this bridge in England I'd like to show you. Make you a sweetheart of a deal on it.

 

[DUATS]

Yes I was kidding. But seriously, I have this bridge in England I'd like to show you. Make you a sweetheart of a deal on it.

Hey, I already bought that bridge and moved it to Arizona. You gotta come out and see it sometime. Special for you - only ten bucks!!!! Much cheaper than a trip to England.....