Two stripes?

BGSkyGuy

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Saw a NJ pilot in MDW the other day wearing two stripes. Anyone, anyone?
 

Mooneymite

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Yes, that's either a "Cruise pilot" on our recently purchased SSBJ, or a flight attendant.

Did he look sleepy?
 

ozpilot

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Heard a rumor that we're removing all the FE panels from our planes, so this guy is about to be out of a job. Such a shame....
Interesting trivia ...

If you ever look into the cockpit of a 767 and see a Flight Engineers panel you'll know its ex Air New Zealand.

When Boeing designed the 767 they did so without an FE panel. When ANZ wanted to buy 767's the union said I don't think so, what about our FEs?

The compromise was that ANZ were able to buy 767s provided Boeing retrofit a FE's panel into them. Now thats the power of a union!

Sometimes those kiwis aren't so stupid :)
 

IDEtoNJA

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Interesting trivia ...

If you ever look into the cockpit of a 767 and see a Flight Engineers panel you'll know its ex Air New Zealand.

When Boeing designed the 767 they did so without an FE panel. When ANZ wanted to buy 767's the union said I don't think so, what about our FEs?

The compromise was that ANZ were able to buy 767s provided Boeing retrofit a FE's panel into them. Now thats the power of a union!

Sometimes those kiwis aren't so stupid :)
Ozpilot,

I didn't know that ANZ received their aircraft with the FE positions.

As far as I know, the first airline's union to require the airline to insist on installing the FE position before delivery was Ansett of Australia. The first 5 767-200's delivered to Ansett did require an FE to operate them in 1983 -- at least for the first number of years until retrofitted to the regular configuration.

IDEtoNJA
 

Guitar Guy

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Sounds similar to Air France and some of the original A300 widebodies.
 

blueridge71

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Interesting trivia ...

If you ever look into the cockpit of a 767 and see a Flight Engineers panel you'll know its ex Air New Zealand.

When Boeing designed the 767 they did so without an FE panel. When ANZ wanted to buy 767's the union said I don't think so, what about our FEs?

The compromise was that ANZ were able to buy 767s provided Boeing retrofit a FE's panel into them. Now thats the power of a union!

Sometimes those kiwis aren't so stupid :)
I wonder how smart they feel now with $130/barrel oil and a crap load of highly-paid-to-do-nothing employees. Bet that is good for the balance sheet. Of course a lot of foreign carriers don't worry about competition and profits.
 

Sparse

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Interesting trivia ...

If you ever look into the cockpit of a 767 and see a Flight Engineers panel you'll know its ex Air New Zealand.

When Boeing designed the 767 they did so without an FE panel. When ANZ wanted to buy 767's the union said I don't think so, what about our FEs?

The compromise was that ANZ were able to buy 767s provided Boeing retrofit a FE's panel into them. Now thats the power of a union!

Sometimes those kiwis aren't so stupid :)
Delta airlines was one of the launch customers for the 767-200. During the design process, the FAA had not given into certification without an FE. That is why the 767-200 cockpit is so much larger than the -300. When the FAA approved the plan without an FE, Dave Garrett, Chairman of Delta, had already committed to operate the 767 with three crew members. Pay rates etc had already been agreed to with ALPA. Dave Garrett, an man of his word, an airline executive that could actually be respected, told ALPA he would stand by his committment. ALPA actually convinced Mr. Garrett that Delta would not be competetive with the third man and the aircraft was deployed with two pilots.
 
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