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[Archer]

That is a nice dream job.

If there is any jet I would love to fly the most...it would be a Lear.

70 a year sounds great...and flying 3 times a week sounds great.

Plus you can fly on your own too...

I hate to hear about professional pilots who fly jets at 550 mph at FL450 and then say they don't get excited about flying anymore...and can't be bothered to fly a Cessna 152 anymore...

a friend of mine's brother is an F/O on CRJs...he says he flies only if he has to...that's sad to hear.

Well I've been looking through Part 135 FARs...and BOY is it's hard to write a LOC (Letter of Compliance - where you say how you are going to comply with every 135 FAR)...and that's only the beginning...makes you want to just fly for a part 135 operator instead of even contemplating starting one yourself...

 

[banned username 2]

makes you want to just fly for a part 135 operator instead of even contemplating starting one yourself...

Go do that for a couple years and get back to us, your views will change...

 

[avbug]

Go do that for a couple years and get back to us, your views will change...

Do you mean go start 135 operations for two years and then get back to the crowd, or go fly under a 135 certificate?

Why do you have such a prejudice against anything but large iron? Why against 135? Is there any difference between flying 135 and 121, aside from a few regulation differences? No. And often the money is better under 135. Why the prejudice?

I'm in the process of pushing a certificate through for an operator. The letter of compliance isn't nearly the problem it seems. I do agree, however. It's a whole lot easier to work for an opeator, than to be one.

 

[banned username 2]

No prejudice, I am just telling him to go fly for a 135 on demand operator for a couple of years and get back to us... Middle of the night calls, broken airplanes, non-existant schedules, poor pay, etc...

Has nothing to do with "heavy iron" has something to do with QoL.

 

[Gulfstreamlover]

So flying for EJM is a bad job

 

[banned username 2]

So flying for EJM is a bad job

All I'm saying is the constant on call of Charter gets old... You guys who haven't flown for a living may not be able to comprehend that fact, but once the novelty wears off you will...

 

[low-n-slow]

I can't think of any airplane you'd be getting 90K for unless you where chief pilot for a 135 company with a lot of King Airs and Barons and so on. Maybe capt. on a corporate Saab 2000 would pay like that, but the only way to make that money on turbines would be reginionals or as chief pilot for a company with a couple airplanes.

I have to disagree with this statement. I know for a fact there are guys flying single engine turbines that are home every night and make this kind of money (and more) annually.

 

[avbug]

Amen to that.

Further, weather 91, 121, 125, 135, 137, etc...who would suggest that all firms have poor maintenance, treat their people badly, have poor schedules, etc? I wouldn't.

You guys who haven't flown for a living may not be able to comprehend that fact, but once the novelty wears off you will...

What about those of us who have flown for a living, and still do? Can we comprehend the fact?

I've responded to my fair share of middle of the night calls. Some were arduous. Some were quite pleasant. But then I can say the same about many other types of flying...including corporate. I've been called out at o'dark-thirty to carry a member of the board of directors somewhere. Stuck some place for a week. I've been enlisted in company duties when not flying, from maintenance to measuring train tracks by hand.

A good share of the GIV crowd I know spends much of their time gone, often overseas...I've heard more than a few comment how much better it was back when they had a schedule, flying freight. Few would give up the money...but then we can't have everything, can we?

The rest of the world is NOT a stepping stone to get where you are. Many feel quite fortunate, and satisfied to be where they are...myself included.

 

[Gulfstreamlover]

I have to disagree with this statement. I know for a fact there are guys flying single engine turbines that are home every night and make this kind of money (and more) annually.

Realy? What kind of airplane? I have seen drug spraying jobs in Columbia in the AT801 for a lot of money, but Columbia isn't the best place to live.

 

[avbug]

but Columbia isn't the best place to live.

Two weeks on, two weeks off, and depending on one's definition of good pay, it's pretty good. There's no shortage of competition for the job to which you refer.

As far as living in-country, it's more of a short visit.

 

[starvingcfi]

does a 402 even fly on one engine?

 

[T-Gates]

Also, it should be pointed out that those professional pilots on here that "kill dreams" are not doing so... they are giving the young pilots or pilot hopefuls on the board a clear sense of what this career path is about. It's better to go into this aviation career, whether airlines, corporate, or whatever other path, with a full understanding of what you are undertaking. If you go into a career with rose colored glasses, you will be disappointed.

Archer, Citationkid, other wannabees......

Take the above words from FlyChicaga very seriously, they are 100% correct and true. We are not "dream-killers" we are preparing you that one day you WILL go to work and realize you:

A. Want more money......
B. Are no longer content flying a 402......
C. Are sick of a 24 hour on-call period........
D. Wonder how much more SIC time you can put in your logbook before it just starts becoming worthless to you.......

Shall I go on?

 

[bugchaser]

Originally posted by low-n-slow
I have to disagree with this statement. I know for a fact there are guys flying single engine turbines that are home every night and make this kind of money (and more) annually.
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Realy? What kind of airplane? I have seen drug spraying jobs in Columbia in the AT801 for a lot of money, but Columbia isn't the best place to live.


There are still some good jobs out there. I also know a guy who made considerably more than this flying a single engine turbine. Worked about 6 months and was home every evening and off most weekends. Oh yeah, he is also off for the entire winter. Don't be afraid to dream. QOL is made up of lots more than money. Decide what you want to do and be the best you can be at it. Make contacts and get along with people. Opportunities will come!

 

[uscpilot]

Quest labs pays fairly well between 50-70K From what I hear and they fly TBM's and Kingairs.
usc

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Archer.

Do us a favor. Print out all your posts here about the Part 135 and piston twin "dream".

5-10 years from now, pull them out and read them.

$1000 says you will either laugh till you pi$$ your pants or you will beat yourself until you are unconscious.

We are not "anti-flying". We are simply stating reality. We think flying is a pretty good job - but it can be downright terrible when things are not going your way. The negative posts and things you hear about flying are not just from whining pilots. They are from guys who are sick of this business - it can really screw even the biggest dreamers...

I for one am forutunate to not be one of these, but I sure know it could be no more than a heartbeat away.

Good luck to you!

 

[Citationkid]

If they're sick of the business why are they still in it? Just because they don't know how to do any thing else?

 

[Gulfstream 200]

No Kid.

Maybe they stay in the business because they now have responsiblities - a wife and family to support - ya know......

.. maybe they even have a 15 yr old kid who dreams about nothing but going to college and being a professional pilot...

 

[avbug]

Dont analyze it, just fly it.

You know, I hear that a lot. An operator just sent me back through simuflite on a recurrent, and the classroom instructor kept coming back to that...if you can't do anything about it, you don't need to know about it. Kept saying that everything was PFM, or pure fine magic, as he put it. Said we didn't need to know.

Speaking personally, I'd be dead, a long time ago, if I took such an attitude. Analyzing it and knowing just what that PFM is really doing has kept me alive, and I swear by it.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Judging by your history of posts, we all wonder why you are not dead also!!!!

But we all take them with a grain of salt....as we have come to the conclusion that 90% of it is entertaining bull$hit!! But hey, its the internet....

....enjoyable yes... but pretty far from reality, avbug!!

 

[avbug]

I have never posted a single iota of imbellishment. I have not lied. I have not posted incorrect information. When offering opinion, something I don't often do, I do so by stating that it's my opinion or that it is my personal conjecture.

Simply because you in a nice tiny safe little small world, don't think that everyone does. There is more to this world than what you see over the bridge of your nose, even when placed to such the elevation that it is now; even past the snow which falls from that elevation upon your feeble brain.

If you can disprove anything I have hereto posted, or care to go there and do the things I've done, by al means, go for it. Until you've been there, and done those things, then you haven't a leg to stand upon. Your pathetic jab means little; earn the respect and I'll be concerned about your comments.

What is it that you think is "bull$hit!!", anyway? Care to be specific?

Now, you bean brained pathetic two bit four flushing pusnutted clodhopping nearsighted baffoon, I made a rational intelligent statement regarding one who professes ignorance (don't analyze it, fly it); your response was a direct attack that related nothing to the post. Surely you can do better.

I'm glad you speak for the masses, as "all of us" wonder why I'm not dead. I don't think you do speak for everyone, but you save me the trouble of addressing all those who wish or wonder about my deminse. I'm not dead. I'm still here. And I'll still be here tomorrow to fight what you fear, fly the places you won't go, and do the things you can't conceive of doing. And I'll still be grateful for the opportunity to do it, and to get paid to do it.

Too bad you can't say the same, mate. Thanks for playing.

 

[bigD]

Holy sh*t! Archer's back! And apparently back with the same old questions.

folks, this is what happens when you hang out with your mommy all the time.

You see what happens when you spend too much time away from the board? You miss hilarious comments like this! LMAO!

 

[banned username 2]

Hey D,

JetPilot500 and I enjoyed a nice 1st class Brazilian BBQ Lunch today, where were you???

We were thinkin' about you, though... we were like "Hey, wasn't BigD supposed to be here too!?!?!?!"

 

[Gulfstream 200]

reeelax avbug.

I do apologize if calling your bluffs here was too much. Maybe it was a little uncalled for.

 

[bigD]

Hey D,

JetPilot500 and I enjoyed a nice 1st class Brazilian BBQ Lunch today, where were you???

We were thinkin' about you, though... we were like "Hey, wasn't BigD supposed to be here too!?!?!?!"

LOL...well I'd certainly be there if someone could score me a jumpseat on your plane!

 

[avbug]

You leave me sir, no choice, but to apologize.

The rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated. (But not by much).

 

[Archer]

Yes bigD I'm back and the first thread I start in over a year has 55 replies to it and a couple fights of peopel trying to reach for their throats again.

Wow, this board keeps it's reputation with people that just love each other doesn't it? Well, just something to keep ignoring, and get one with the discussions about flying.


You know what, I'm very curious to know what I'll be posting here in 5 or 6 years...when I might be sitting left seat on a 402.

So how about we talking of something positive...and like gentlemen at least on the Anniversary of 100 years of flight?

for example...I cam acorss www.flyaviator.com

and they advertise 59.99/hour for renting a Duchess...and getting 100 hours in it for 6 grand...

now, what do you guys think of this? is "safety pilot PIC time" implied? what's the deal? cause that how much you pay usually for a 152

Archer