Two more A-rabs arrested at SEA

[dixieflyer]

becket,

Amen. I think 3000+ Americans would still be alive if the pilots on 9/11 were armed. ALSO, they would still be alive if our immigration policy wasnt such a joke. Three of the highjackers(all of whom were Middle Eastern, male, Mulsims) were on the terroist watch list, yet them managed to get student visas, come to our country and get their flight training.
We have got to stop letting these people into our country. We are sacrificing our national security on the alter of political correctness.

Please, lets not offend anyone, when Americans can die instead.

 

[WrightAvia]

Yeah and where is Timothy McVeigh right now??? Thats what I thought... I don't think youll see any more militant white boys blowing up any more gov. buildings anytime soon cause we made an example out of that pr*ck... now if we could only do the same for the towel heads....

floyd...you don't know jack.

 

[Kent4]

Let's face it, our country could save alot of grief by profiling Arab's that have no real longevity here in the states. I'm not saying to hassle some guy that has kids and a wife, and has been in the country for decades.[/B]

Man, you guys are too predictable. Don't you get it? We have to "profile" EVERYBODY. Remember John Walker Lindh? Nice white kid who was caught in Afghanistan training with Al Qaida? If we found one white kid doing that, then we have to assume that another one (or more) exists. If I'm a terrorist and I find out that the US is really only profiling Arabs, then I simply call on JW Lindh's bro, shave him, clean him up, give him instructions, and let him carry out the mission. The TSA sees a nice, clean-cut kid, they give him a pass (or a low priority scan) and he walks on board and offs the crew (or plants a bomb, or opens up a bio weapon vial, or whatever). You've got to expect that these guys will exploit all weaknesses because that's exactly what they did to pull off 9/11.

So, we either give everyone the high security treatment, or no one. Otherwise, what's the point?

In addition to keeping a strong military, we've got to give Arab people a reason to push Muslim extremists back to the fringe and away from the mainstream. Being in Al Qaida should be like being a skinhead or in one of those anti-American government militias - it should bear the stigma of evil amd ignorance. Saudis should want to root for us and not bin Laden. The Japanese don't mess with us anymore because we rebuilt their entire nation and now they profit immensely from being our friends. We should be moving in that direction in addition to having the big stick there as a threat. Force alone is not necessarily going to scare people into doing whatever we want - ask the Vietnamese about that.

 

[sky37d]

"Those People"

That is my point. You CAN NOT generalize a whole population. If you have seen the world you would know that the vast majority is good.....always there has been and will be evil.....

I think that the comment of Those People, in it's initial context, was directed towards Terrorist. How some person who is on the Terrorist Watch List got across the border in the first place is astonishing.

Any and all Terrorist should get the same sentence as McVeigh. Unfortunately the bleeding heart liberals will argue we aren't treating them fairly.

There was a piece on TV the other day, that there was a time that a citizen of Rome could walk the face of the known earth unmolested, because EVERYONE knew that the retribution for harming a citizen of Rome was both swift and fearsome.

Oil is the key, we don't want to piss of the people who own it, so we have become second class people. Since all of us fly things that depend on prodigious quantites of that, I guess we'll just have to cower, bow our heads, and say tsk tsk when one of them kills more Americans.

NOT HOW I WOULD DO IT.
I would send a message that would be LOUD, CLEAR, and BRIGHT that we won't tolerate that stuff anymore.

 

[flywithastick]

Islam - the religion of peace!

BTW, sky37D - I think a secondary benefit of invading Iraq was to do just what you've mentioned. This may serve to offset the radical Islamic offensive toward the West somewhat. The followers of the "religion of peace" understand getting their a$$ kicked. ala, Mohamar G/Khadaffi.

Kent4 - Prifiling by definition is where you selectively scrutinize certain groups. What you're describing is called a police state - scrutinizing everyone. Doesn't it bother you to think about giving up your freedom?! It makes me sick! Too bad we have so many people in this country so willing to trade a good deal of their freedom for FALSE security!

my 2¢

 

[chillflylow]

I think Iraq is a target rich enviroment and if you live there and dont want to be a target , the next time your seen on the streets you need to be holding an American Flag and eating a BBQPork sandwich..
There are no innocent bystandards when our troops are getting killed everyday. They are with us or them ....
Fire them up boys... give no quarter and expect none...

 

[WrightAvia]

dixieflyer...is that you?

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationw...,0,2371222.story?coll=sns-ap-nation-headlines

Balbir Singh Sodhi was neither Muslim nor from the Middle East, as the terrorist hijackers had been. Yet authorities say the gas station owner was targeted days after the attacks because he wore a turban and beard as part of his Sikh faith.

I would have to figure that if Jesus was on a walkabout in some parts in this country before he had a chance to hit the "GAP" at the mini mall or the "Target" store to get some acceptible duds and shoes...some good old boys in a Chevy pickup truck, with a big Confederate flag and the kid peeing on a Ford emblem sticker in the back window, would probably have em draging behind the truck on chains. Swilling Budwieser and hollering something like..."hey, hippie...doncha know only yuppies and fags wear sandals!"

 

[TXCAP4228]

becket,

Amen. I think 3000+ Americans would still be alive if the pilots on 9/11 were armed. ALSO, they would still be alive if our immigration policy wasnt such a joke. Three of the highjackers(all of whom were Middle Eastern, male, Mulsims) were on the terroist watch list, yet them managed to get student visas, come to our country and get their flight training.
We have got to stop letting these people into our country. We are sacrificing our national security on the alter of political correctness.

Please, lets not offend anyone, when Americans can die instead.

How can you argue with that?

Well said.

 

[labbats]

If you really want to think about terroritsts, why would they bother with getting aboard an airliner again? We as pilots see this as a huge threat, but if you look at the big picture, he could just as easily release a bio weapon vial in the subway or in Times Square. In fact it'd be much easier. And TSA or 911 won't be much help with a stinger missle. Try and shoot one of those with your cockpit gun.

 

[TXCAP4228]

Man, you guys are too predictable. Don't you get it? We have to "profile" EVERYBODY. Remember John Walker Lindh? Nice white kid who was caught in Afghanistan training with Al Qaida? If we found one white kid doing that, then we have to assume that another one (or more) exists. If I'm a terrorist and I find out that the US is really only profiling Arabs, then I simply call on JW Lindh's bro, shave him, clean him up, give him instructions, and let him carry out the mission. The TSA sees a nice, clean-cut kid, they give him a pass (or a low priority scan) and he walks on board and offs the crew (or plants a bomb, or opens up a bio weapon vial, or whatever). You've got to expect that these guys will exploit all weaknesses because that's exactly what they did to pull off 9/11.

So, we either give everyone the high security treatment, or no one. Otherwise, what's the point?

Kent, you're still missing the point.

1) Just because one American went to help the Taliban, that doesn't mean that 99.999999% of Taliban, or Al Aqusa or Islamic Jihad or whatever group are not still men of Middle Eastern descent between the ages of 18 and 40.

2) To extend your attempt at an argument to a point where it becomes logical, it turns upside down on you. If we are really going to profile people, we would do it more than just based on their race, gender and age. Any American who spent 2 or more years in Afghanistan while participating with a group that had already been responsible for attacks against Americans in the past deserves extra scrutiny. I would say this is a profile.

3) No profile is ever perfect, but it does make the job of our enemies far more dificult. And THAT is the point.

 

[Eagleflip]

I think Iraq is a target rich enviroment and if you live there and dont want to be a target , the next time your seen on the streets you need to be holding an American Flag and eating a BBQPork sandwich..

??? YGBSM...Another prime example of why Americans need to be cautious at home as well as in Iraq, Iran, Libya, etc.

 

[Kent4]

Kent4 - Prifiling by definition is where you selectively scrutinize certain groups. What you're describing is called a police state - scrutinizing everyone. Doesn't it bother you to think about giving up your freedom?! It makes me sick! Too bad we have so many people in this country so willing to trade a good deal of their freedom for FALSE security!

Yes, it bothers me a great deal. But as I said, everyone on this board is talking about getting serious about terrorism and not being too soft. Well, now that the harsh reality is staring some of them in the face, they complain about having to endure tighter scrutiny when we're really just looking for men of Arab descent. Their solution is to only step up security for that profile. What?? All it takes is one more John Walker Lindh to put a bomb in his shoe, or pour poison into a river, or bring down a 747 with an SA-18 missile. All it takes is for one security guard to say, "Oh well, it's just some ordinary white kid - no harm there," and we're toast. You must expect the best from your enemy or you will lose. This is what it means to step up the war on terror and be tough. Some of you folks want to have the lighter, easier version - the version where you don't have to pay any cost or bear any risk and others do (soldiers, innocent Arab people, firemen, etc.). That is the kind of weakness that our enemies could exploit in order to attack us.

But there is another way. Maybe, if we have a strong defense AND try to mend ties with these people instead of demonizing them as an entire group, then maybe we won't need a huge security state because most Middle Eastern people we come from friendly countries and we will handle any bad situations as they arise. We will always need a CIA, FBI, etc., but maybe we won't need a Patriot Act, or Americans spying on Americans, or the detention camps, or taking off our shoes in airports. Maybe one day we'll be able to meet our relatives at the gate again. That would be nice.

I believe in American freedoms. I believe in them so much that I'd be willing to die in a terrorist attack if it meant that we, as Americans, can still live free without an oppressive security state watching our every move. However, I believe that such freedoms should extend to all Americans, not just the ones who look like me. But, I don't believe in half measures. If we want to protect ourselves in the best way possible, then we've got to assume that the enemy will try to find many ways to fool us.

 

[dixieflyer]

Kent 4,

You make some good points. I think what he was trying to say is there is no room for common sence in the current enviroment. For example when some 18 year old punk that is now TSA federal agent, tries to take away Joe Foss's Congressional Metal of Honnor becaues he feel his the medal could be used as a weapon. Or when a woman at JFK is asked to drink her bottled breat milk to show its not flammable. Face it, instances like these are not keeping anyone safe. Instead of shaking down 80 year old grandmothers, and crew members, the TSA could allocate their time and resources in more productive areas.

 

[Kent4]

Kent 4,

You make some good points. I think what he was trying to say is there is no room for common sence in the current enviroment. For example when some 18 year old punk that is now TSA federal agent, tries to take away Joe Foss's Congressional Metal of Honnor becaues he feel his the medal could be used as a weapon. Or when a woman at JFK is asked to drink her bottled breat milk to show its not flammable. Face it, instances like these are not keeping anyone safe.

I agree that these examples are ridiculous. There is definitely room for common sense there. I heard about the CMOH incident. That was shameful.

I am just trying to alter the malevolent flow of this thread by pointing out problems with short-sighted, anger-fueled suggestions for dealing with the threats that we all face.

 

[sky37d]

Further
I heard that the UN HQ in Bagdad got bombed with 15 dead.