Twa 800

[CrimsonEclipse]

Fuel vapors in the center fuel tank were ignited by a shorted-out wire -- AFTER IT WAS SLICED IN TWO BY A MISSLE!!!

LOL

CE

 

[bocefus]

All you need to know is that your government would never lie to you. I should know. I'm in the military, and I trust our leaders absolutely because they tell us the truth. If they lied to us, I wouldn't vote for them, and they wouldn't be in office. See, it logically follows that in order for them to be in office, they must tell the truth, which gets them votes. So have a little trust in the official statements and investigations. They are all accurate and totally complete. Carry on.
All you need to know is that your government cannot tell lies without being quickly exposed and cannot keep secrets. I should know, I was in the military and government service afterwards. Sooo, anyone care to explain why the recovered wreckage shows no evidence of a missile strike?

 

[siucavflight]

Sooo, anyone care to explain why the recovered wreckage shows no evidence of a missile strike?

Because there was no missle strike.

 

[Prop2Jet]

aliens zapped it by accident, then the Navy tried shooting the mother ship, missed and hit a small 182 flown by a terrorist who was trying to TWA 800. Both planes plunged into the ocean, the mother ship warped outta there and the FBI came and took the black boxes from the NTSB because the Mother ship was talked about on the tapes.

 

[siucavflight]

aliens zapped it by accident, then the Navy tried shooting the mother ship, missed and hit a small 182 flown by a terrorist who was trying to TWA 800. Both planes plunged into the ocean, the mother ship warped outta there and the FBI came and took the black boxes from the NTSB because the Mother ship was talked about on the tapes.

That seems about right.

All of these conspiracy theroist are nuts. There would have to be too many people that would have to keep a secret, it would never work. Two people who know would be one too many.

 

[big_al]

That seems about right.

All of these conspiracy theroist are nuts. There would have to be too many people that would have to keep a secret, it would never work. Two people who know would be one too many.

thats pretty funny, I see your avatar right there. how long was that program black?

 

[Say Again Over]

Fuel vapors in the center fuel tank were ignited by a shorted-out wire -- AFTER IT WAS SLICED IN TWO BY A MISSLE!!!

Funny, sounds like the same opinion as the TWA chief pilot!

 

[kingsize]

You know what else is funny is how many high-level politicians, after 9/11, mentioned on TV the missile that shot down TWA 800. Whoops!

Something else funny is that the "official" reason for the explosion, this fuel tank issue, has never been fixed. Wonder why? Hint: It would be a waste of money and unnecessary.

Anyways, I back my government 100%. It doesn't lie to the people... Whatever it does, it does for a reason. Maybe we just don't fully understand it yet, or maybe it's because we didn't want to start the global war on terror in 1996, coincidentally just months before the presidential election. It's all about tradeoff. Is going to war worth the price of those lives? What happened with the American hostages in Iran? What did we do when our Marines got schwacked in Beirut? We do what the decision makers feel is best, no matter how unethical, weak, or shady it may seem. Things are, unfortunately, not so black and white when politics and warfare come together.

 

[bocefus]

thats pretty funny, I see your avatar right there. how long was that program black?

That black program did not explode in front of the witnesses nor was it subjected to public scrutiny. Hell, even today the hardware from that program is not as accessible as the TWA-800 wreckage.

Something else funny is that the "official" reason for the explosion, this fuel tank issue, has never been fixed. Wonder why? Hint: It would be a waste of money.

Waste of money? I guess you could lump a whole bunch of NTSB suggested saftety upgrades into that category. Gee, I wonder why the military doesn't think GN2 fuel tank inerting systems are a waste of money?

 

[PAPA FOX!]

17 years ago today was the Sioux City accident. Amazing how Al Haynes and his crew were able to save as many lives as they did!

 

[81Horse]

If I remember right, the investigation concluded that it was a short in a wiring harness in the center fuel tank. How many amps would be involved and would it be enough to ignite kerosene fumes?

You should look for CNN's excellent special (I watched it a few nights ago). The issue (conspiracy theories notwithstanding) has to do with bundled wires and compromised insulation -- such that multiple insulation failures in the bundled wires can transfer energy from wire to wire; this can result in a high-energy discharge through a fuel sensor.

The potential exists on many airplanes. The NTSB wants the FAA to mandate installation of nitrogen systems.

Really -- you should try to find the CNN program. It's comprehensive.

edit to add: Papa Fox!, thanks for reminding us. Here's a Wiki note about Al Haynes in recent years:

In 1997, his oldest son died after a motorcycle accident, and his wife died in 1999. His daughter Laurie gained media attention in 2001 when she was diagnosed with aplastic anemia. By 2003, her disease was in an advanced stage and she required a bone marrow transplant. Because his daughter's insurance would not cover the operation, Al Haynes needed help from the Air Line Pilots Association, which donated money and brought the Haynes' monetary plight to light. Many survivors of Flight 232 found out about the case and they also helped raise money. Eventually, his daughter was able to get the transplant.

 

[siucavflight]

Anyways, I back my government 100%. It doesn't lie to the people... Whatever it does, it does for a reason.

Thats funny right there. New sig quote for me!

 

[ArcticFlier]

You should look for CNN's excellent special (I watched it a few nights ago). The issue (conspiracy theories notwithstanding) has to do with bundled wires and compromised insulation -- such that multiple insulation failures in the bundled wires can transfer energy from wire to wire; this can result in a high-energy discharge through a fuel sensor.

The potential exists on many airplanes. The NTSB wants the FAA to mandate installation of nitrogen systems.

Really -- you should try to find the CNN program. It's comprehensive.

I wasn't trying to a be a black helicopter type, as you suggest..................just wanted some clarification.


AF

And I believe CNN...............riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. I don't believe most media outlets, especially when it comes to aviation, and CNN is at the bottom of the believability list regarding just about anything (unless we're talking about how great liberalism is, according to them), but I'll look for it, as I try to keep an open mind.

 

[Prop2Jet]

MAN why does it have to be a "black" project, can it be a something other than a secret little black thing..... Always gotta be a black thing when it is bad...hahahah JK

 

[gutshotdraw]

Let's send this one to the Mythbusters! They've blown up an old airplane out at Mojave in an explosive decompression demonstration. Let's have 'em put some fuel in a tank, heat it up a bit, and short a fuel pump wiring bundle......

 

[FN FAL]

MAN why does it have to be a "black" project, can it be a something other than a secret little black thing..... Always gotta be a black thing when it is bad...hahahah JK

It's a conspiracy, don't believe it? Just ask yourself, why do they always keep the black olives in the can?

 

[atrdriver]

That black program did not explode in front of the witnesses nor was it subjected to public scrutiny. Hell, even today the hardware from that program is not as accessible as the TWA-800 wreckage.

That's not what you said. You said that a secret could not be kept, and that two people knowing about it was one too many. So how many people knew that the F-117 was in squadron service for over 10 years? How many pilots, crew chiefs, mechanics, tower controllers, etc? Somehow I bet it was more than 2.

And as far as public scrutiny, why were all the eyewitness reports from former military pilots ignored? Yes I will certain;y agree that most "eyewitnesses" are worthless, but a professional pilot, and a former military one at that, makes a pretty good witness for an aircraft explosion.

 

[big_al]

I wasn't trying to a be a black helicopter type, as you suggest..................just wanted some clarification.


AF

And I believe CNN...............riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. I don't believe most media outlets, especially when it comes to aviation, and CNN is at the bottom of the believability list regarding just about anything (unless we're talking about how great liberalism is, according to them), but I'll look for it, as I try to keep an open mind.

Im sure you have tons of evidence to prove your theory about CNN, right? Because we all know they were so light on Clintons sexual escapades

 

[siucavflight]

Im sure you have tons of evidence to prove your theory about CNN, right? Because we all know they were so light on Clintons sexual escapades

The Clinton News Network??? Ted Turner is not a liberal is he?

 

[big_al]

a racist who gets his kicks insulting jews is a liberal now?