TSA Going Buh-Bye??

[skydash]

Check out the story!!www.drudgereport.com. If true,I wonder how the ffdo will be affected?

 

[dmspilot00]

nevermind. how do I delete this?

 

[User546]

This would be the greatest thing to happen. Get rid of that joke of an agency. All we did was take a privatized industry and slap a federal label on it, and stripped away many, MANY rights of the american traveller. With no gain in true security or confidence whatsoever.

And I might start a flame-war here, but I'll stand behind my comments 110%. TSA isn't going to stop another terrorist attack. Period, end of story.

As the great George Carlin stated one time "Airport security is only there to make white people feel better, that's all it is."

With all that said though, I can't imagine where the government would scrap TSA. That's almost impossible to fathom after all the infrastructure, money spent, and reputation they have to uphold. But one can always hope.

 

[Metro752]

Well, joke or not, they keep you a bit more safe than before.

You put down the TSA a bit to much. How often are you in "major" airports?

I've seen plenty of douchebags get caught and or turned away by the TSA.

 

[slowto250]

Well, joke or not, they keep you a bit more safe than before.

You put down the TSA a bit to much. How often are you in "major" airports?

I've seen plenty of douchebags get caught and or turned away by the TSA.

You're not kidding. Why, last month some crack member of the TSA caught me trying to secret my toenail clipper/nail file past their battery of magnetometers, gamma rays, and bomb sniffers. Instinctively, and with battle honed reaction times, he responded : "Hold it, hold it right there. Is this your bag" ? Sheepishly, I admitted to the infraction, and was ordered out of line and subsequently detained until I agreed to surrender my weapon of mass destruction.

Don't tell me the skies aren't safer.

Oh yeah, and later in the day, this same airport was shut down for 2 hours while they searched for some goon with a handgun, who had inexplicably breached their security.

 

[urflyingme?!]

Slow250. If a guy had a gun in an airport, would you want them to just give up?

The main benefit of the TSA is command and control IMO. That is unless you think that some airport cop is going to save yo arse when rahib demands fuel and save travel to havana....

 

[User546]

You put down the TSA a bit to much. How often are you in "major" airports?

I'm in the major airports just enough for them to pi$$ me the f##k off everytime I'm there...

And if I have to take my shoes off ONE MORE TIME to prove I don't have a stick of C4 stuck in the heels!!!!!

 

[cforst513]

matt drudge is a sensationalistic moron. he catches wind of a rumor and it's on his website in 5 minutes as FACT, not fiction. i can't stand him. his radio show sucks too.

 

[qmaster3]

Well, joke or not, they keep you a bit more safe than before.

You put down the TSA a bit to much. How often are you in "major" airports?

I've seen plenty of douchebags get caught and or turned away by the TSA.

You're right metro. As a former Navy rent-O-cop. You go into the job nice and with a good attitude. Then it goes away after you get burnt once, and you become a dick. You don’t care about excuses ( I just GOT to do my nails on the plane), because you hear it a million times on your shift. Your only goal is to go home alive, and CYA. As long as everyones crying about TSA. I'm happy with em.
Are they efficient? Hell no nothing with the government is.

 

[atrdriver]

Getting rid of the TSA would be the best thing that could happen to the aviation industry. All they do now is try to justify their existence by scaring travellers. I'm all for federal oversight of the checkpoints for consistency, but the TSA isn't consistent itself.

 

[Rick1128]

No, we need to keep the TSA as it is. It is the best form of job security corporate and charter pilots have. While charter aviation does have to deal with the TSA, its deaing are small overall and effect passengers to a very small degree.

 

[Sniper Bob]

matt drudge is a sensationalistic moron. he catches wind of a rumor and it's on his website in 5 minutes as FACT, not fiction. i can't stand him. his radio show sucks too.

It's an MSNBC story that Drudge linked.

You are the moron.

 

[soarby007]

TSA has some nice people, but the morons running the show need to go. When the sign says, shoe removal optional, but the goon decides that your slippers needs to be removed, it becomes irrational. In CMH the idiot made me run my doughnut thru the magnetometer, but allowed the coffee. I bought them 10 feet from the machine. In the trash they went.

I don't think TSA needs to go, but it sure needs major renovation in personnel and in ways of thinking.

 

[cforst513]

It's an MSNBC story that Drudge linked.

You are the moron.

i am not going to do this with you, bob. maybe it's just me, but the few times that i've visited his website i have found stories that were not linked elsewhere that were just sensationalistic drivel. i can't remember exactly what the details were, but he had written a story about airbus or the A380 that was just bad journalism.

but again, that just must be my experience.

 

[rvsm410]

MCO for you...sssssssucks!

I now get dressed at the gates...come bare footed, t-shirt with badges, shorts....carry good cloths in a cheap throw away garment bag...run through the scanner....get secondary searched most of the time due to non-rev...yea...MCO for you....Go to bathroom and get dressed for work, trash the garment bag...

I watched a poor guy, 40'ish in a nice suit this morning have to strip to his undershirt because he needed and asked for a "hand pat-down" as he had a pacemaker or something...these TSA idiots still had him walk through the "GD" machine...of course it went off and the poor guy freaked out because he thought his pace maker was going to zap him.....then they made him remove his belt, socks and proceeded to feel him up including his private area's!! Jesus how far are these people going to go, Until they ruin this business and the passengers find another way to do their business.

 

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The one who needs to go is the Secy of Transportation, Norm Mineta, a first rate politically correct hack if there ever was one( and a democrat). Most of TSA's problems can be traced to him.

 

[Metro752]

The one who needs to go is the Secy of Transportation, Norm Mineta, a first rate politically correct hack if there ever was one( and a democrat). Most of TSA's problems can be traced to him.

They gave that (insert name here) San Jose Airport as a namesake.

I'm in the major airports just enough for them to pi$$ me the f##k off everytime I'm there...

And if I have to take my shoes off ONE MORE TIME to prove I don't have a stick of C4 stuck in the heels!!!!!

Everyone takes their shoes off before they go through. Do you feel special? Who do you think you are? You have a right to compromise everyone elses safety by going through with your shoes on and them not seeing something in them?

Nobody cares who you are dude, if they ask you to take your shoes off, do it.

You don't see the airport workers (airliner employees, etc) going through usually, they have their own area, and I can guarantee you most of them already take their shoes off before they go through, and if they don't it's because the shoes have a sole that are like maybe 1cm or less.

Why don't you tell those TSA guys how you feel, I'll guarantee you do it in Chicago and the CPD will come and take you away.

 

[PeteCO]

They gave that (insert name here) San Jose Airport as a namesake.




Everyone takes their shoes off before they go through. Do you feel special? Who do you think you are? You have a right to compromise everyone elses safety by going through with your shoes on and them not seeing something in them?

Nobody cares who you are dude, if they ask you to take your shoes off, do it.

You don't see the airport workers (airliner employees, etc) going through usually, they have their own area, and I can guarantee you most of them already take their shoes off before they go through, and if they don't it's because the shoes have a sole that are like maybe 1cm or less.

Why don't you tell those TSA guys how you feel, I'll guarantee you do it in Chicago and the CPD will come and take you away.

I never take my shoes off. The sign says "optional", does it not?

 

[Metro752]

I don't believe so. They tell you take them off, you take them off, you don't, you go home peacefully, or someone comes down and bails you out of jail.

EDIT: I should have phrased in my previous post, ALMOST everyone does before they are told, if they are told.

 

[PeteCO]

The sign at DEN says optional. JFK has the fastest and most laid back security of the airports I've been to, and I have never seen anyone taking their shoes off there.

I think the thing that offends people is the inconsistency, and the fact that many if not most of the rules are totally nonsensical. I had to mail myself my mini keychain tool (screwdriver, scissors), yet my belt or pen are each far deadlier than that little tool. I have a friend who develops a limp before every flight and takes a cane with him, but they gave him a hard time about his little leatherman tool - the knife blade is about 1 inch long.

I have forgotten, twice, knives in my carryon that were missed by the TSA. The holes in the scurity are reasonably well documented, even if some are rumors, and tests routinely show that there's a pretty good chance of getting a gun on a plane if you want to.

THAT'S why people get pissed - because when they are standing in line, listening to rules about stuff that wouldn't make sense to a 3 year old, they know it's all BS.

Happily, most of the time when I fly I carry my Sig P229 and either a shotgun or my AR15. Gives me a warm fuzzy, and I can go shooting with my brothers at my destination without having to deal with checking/declaring them. Of course, I could hijack my own plane, but I choose not to......

To this day, I can't understand why ALPA never raised a stink from hell with the security BS that flight crews have had to deal with in the past 3 1/2 years. The fact that flight crews had to surrender things like nail clippers is so insulting and offensive to anyone's sense of logic that I would have voted to strike until that BS stopped had I been a pro-pilot.

As far as the REAL effectiveness of the TSA, I guess I will defer to anyone on here who works for them since I do not know all the procedures they have in place. As a consumer, however, I will tell you that they are the primary reason I avoid commercial flight unless it's absolutely necessary. When I briefly lost my medical a year and a half ago, I even drove a 1200 mile trip rather than fly.

 

[cforst513]

To add more fuel to the fire:

TSA chief stepping down

 

[slowto250]

Yeah, he is now employed as a mensroom attendant at a Laughlin NV casino.

A promotion, anyway you look at it. Now, at least he has some self respect.

 

[User546]

Everyone takes their shoes off before they go through. Do you feel special? Who do you think you are? You have a right to compromise everyone elses safety by going through with your shoes on and them not seeing something in them?

Nobody cares who you are dude, if they ask you to take your shoes off, do it.

Why don't you tell those TSA guys how you feel, I'll guarantee you do it in Chicago and the CPD will come and take you away.

Are you a TSA worker??

And you know what, that last paragraph is exactly what I'm talking about - and that's EXACTLY the problem! You can't even say anything negative or protest to TSA without getting hauled off like a common criminal. They're nothing more then federally paid, rent-a-cops that have big chips on their shoulders, and serious compensation issues. They want to take my nail files, and clippers, yet guys with handguns and knives get through on a regular basis. They aren't doing anything more then slowing stripping away our given rights in the name of terrorism.

And for the record, YES I AM special, because my mom tells me so!

 

[C601]

I've talked about it before take a visit to MIA and see how the TSA is run there. Its so bad they have had screeners steal money out of peoples bags ..... as there searching them.

 

[cforst513]

And for the record, YES I AM special, because my mom tells me so!

Oh yeah!?! Well MY mommy always tells me I'm unique - just like everyone else!

 

[Corona]

Well, joke or not, they keep you a bit more safe than before.

You put down the TSA a bit to much. How often are you in "major" airports?

I've seen plenty of douchebags get caught and or turned away by the TSA.

Really? I know a guy who went through security with one of those auto-injector epinephrine shots that have a spring-loaded, 1" needle just waiting to pop out. Of course the needle showed on the xray, and the TSA guy even pulled out the ziploc bag holding the auto-injector and looked at it, but allowed the pax to go on his way.

I watched the whole thing, and was not impressed with the due diligence. Granted, that tiny needle ain't going to take over an airplane, but still...

Yep, it was a major airport.

C

 

[Metro752]

Really? I know a guy who went through security with one of those auto-injector epinephrine shots that have a spring-loaded, 1" needle just waiting to pop out. Of course the needle showed on the xray, and the TSA guy even pulled out the ziploc bag holding the auto-injector and looked at it, but allowed the pax to go on his way.

I watched the whole thing, and was not impressed with the due diligence. Granted, that tiny needle ain't going to take over an airplane, but still...

Yep, it was a major airport.

C

Whats your point? Was it bad for him to go through with it? If it was why didn't you stop him?

Are you a TSA worker??

And you know what, that last paragraph is exactly what I'm talking about - and that's EXACTLY the problem! You can't even say anything negative or protest to TSA without getting hauled off like a common criminal. They're nothing more then federally paid, rent-a-cops that have big chips on their shoulders, and serious compensation issues. They want to take my nail files, and clippers, yet guys with handguns and knives get through on a regular basis. They aren't doing anything more then slowing stripping away our given rights in the name of terrorism.

And for the record, YES I AM special, because my mom tells me so!

No, I don't work for the TSA. Why do you you have a problem with people breaking the law being taken away? The law is there to protect you from pyschos and it does. Nothing is perfect in this life, and especially with our government but we all do the best we can. If you think you can do better, then get off your "arm chair" and go down to D.C. and tell them what you think, and stage a protest till they do it your way.

I bet you have problems with cops pulling you over for going 5+ over the speed limit, or rolling through a stop sign. The law is the law dude, you break it, you run the risk of being caught and violated.


------ Look Im not trying to pick any fights here on "flightinfo." I'm backing up my opinion with the same amount of stuff you two put my way.

 

[User546]

No, I don't work for the TSA. Why do you you have a problem with people breaking the law being taken away? The law is there to protect you from pyschos and it does. Nothing is perfect in this life, and especially with our government but we all do the best we can. If you think you can do better, then get off your "arm chair" and go down to D.C. and tell them what you think, and stage a protest till they do it your way.

I bet you have problems with cops pulling you over for going 5+ over the speed limit, or rolling through a stop sign. The law is the law dude, you break it, you run the risk of being caught and violated.

------ Look Im not trying to pick any fights here on "flightinfo." I'm backing up my opinion with the same amount of stuff you two put my way.

Allright, before this gets too cranky - I'm not looking to pick a fight with anyone on here, including you Metro. All I'm offering up is a FRIENDLY discussion concerning your view point vs. mine. Is my viewpoint completely right? Probably not. Is your viewpoint completely right? Probably not. But the reality is probably somewhere in the middle. *stepping off soap box*

Now on with it... I have ZERO problem with people who break the law being taken away by the law. However, I do have a problem when someone gets hauled off or interrogated because they question a TSA guy or give him grief about something. For getting black-balled from flying and put under investigations from all these federal agencies if you dare stand up and question the things TSA do. I also have a problem with people saying how much safer we are now because of TSA, when guns, knives, are still getting by these guys. I'm also miffed about toe nail clippers, a cup of coffee, keychains being taken away, yet they let 1" auto-injectors and other far more potentially dangerous items pass. It's all just a smoke-screen to make all of us feel better and safer to fly.

And I don't know what world you think we live in now a days, but going to DC and protesting is about the most worthless thing you can do. Do you really think those politicians who have there own vested financial interests in legislation, and worrying about what will get them re-elected next term - really care about what Joe Blow is holding a sign up about on the front steps? Do you think if I walk around protesting TSA that they're going to give in and return it to its former self? The answer is no, no, no!

And am I one of these people that get mad when I get stopped by a cop for going 5+ mph over the speed limit? Absolutely not, and I've had plenty of experience in this arena! I figured if I get caught once, it's because I should've been caught 500 times before that but didn't! I choose to speed, I take the inherent risk that I will get pulled over. Did I make a rolling stop at that stop sign and get caught? Been there, done that, and frankly I deserved the ticket - I broke the law.

Man, I better go find Mormon Girl and see what she is up to tonite!

 

[User546]

Check out this nice little gem I found today on CNN:

"Airport Security Is No Better Now Then Pre-9/11"
http://www.cnn.com/2005/TRAVEL/04/16/airport.screeners.ap/index.html

 

[COOPERVANE]

Smaller airport TSA $ucks donkey

Today, non-revving from GSO to ATL after a weekend getaway, I had the following exchange:

TSA chick: Are you "on duty" (had my leather jacket in my arms, and was wearing black pants and shoes).
ME: No, why?
TSA: Well, if you're off duty, you have to take your shoes off.
Me: And if I'm on duty?
TSA: You can leave them on
Me: Then I'm on duty
TSA: Oh, O.K. go on through then

So I walk through with my polo shirt and 6 pack of wine bottles from the winery tour we took

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1 month ago was reporting for a 6:00 AM flight in MLU.

Me to ASA ticket counter agent: Do we have to go through security here?
TSA Bigshot overhears and says in indignant tone: Sir you ALWAYS have to go through security EVERYWHERE, its the law
Me: Well, O.K. we will, but just to let you know, we don't go through security at about half of our outstation cities and also don't in ATL
TSA Nazi pulls a pad and pen out: Where EXACTLY lets you bypass security. I need to check this out!
Me: Someday I'll give you the list of all the airports that make us go through security, it'll be a shorter list

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3 months ago, going through security at unnamed airport. some pax given orange laminated cards selected for "additional screening"

Go around the corner and find......a table full of orange cards thrown down by pax who don't feel like the additional screening.

When I mention this to a TSA guy he ignores me but he does order additional screening for me (I guess I was a troublemaker)

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Like posted before, I have no problem going through security if it makes everybody feel better. I just hate the attitude, ignorance and inconsistancy.