TSA Furlough Question

[ERJFO]

I don't really understand whats going on over there I have friends there and they are flying 90 hour lines but they are putting people on the street. What ever happened to the old standby of everyone going to 75 hours to keep jobs? I guess that is where the sh$%ty company factor comes into play...

Seriously where has the pilot group gone wrong in allowing this? Where has the TSA MEC gone wrong in allowing this? Are guys picking up open time? I'm really starting to feel less sorry for theese guys every day for allowing their company to operate like a 120 and a 1/2 operation.

You can save the "it's not their fault, they can't controll management" bullsh%$t for someone else. Thanks.

 

[punkpilot48]

We asked people to not pick up any open time after the first round of furloughs and the general answer I got back was "Screw you I have to feed my family."

 

[inbound]

WRONG!!! How many people did you ask! One...Two...one of the captains you flew with last month? I know myself and my other 4 roomates turned it all down including everyone else i flew with last month, also the rest of our friends.....that should include half of the STL Pilots. Hey and maybe thats the reason that everyone got F#@$^ last month. (JR)... This next month will be BADDDD!!!!!! Dont make any plans........ Funny it seems just like yesterday I was sitting on reserve begging to fly.







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[flyer172r]

Find me one airline where pilots build the lines. Go ahead, name one where the pilots get together and decide how many hours the lines will average, and the company accepts whatever they say. Because if you can name one, then tell me so I can apply there.

Yes we have a scheduling committee that can try to work with the company, offer suggestions, make requests to crew planning. But ultimately the pilot group can not decide for the company how many hours each lineholder flies.

 

[thowe21]

4 stl fo reserve lines, I think around 15 in RIC what i wrong with this picture!!!!!!!!! They build pairings for us in RIC with quadruple deadheads to fly a leg and then include airport reserve in STL

 

[industrystd]

I hate to see furloughs, but I spent two years on furlough at eagle in 01-03 all the while TSA was flying AA colors and hiring. It sucks.
At least you don't have 400+ flowbacks at your company! But I have to say that most of them are awsome to fly with even the TWA fellas.

Hay eagle hiring.

New email today

35 CA's and 40 fo vac's

take care.

 

[inbound]

Find me one airline where pilots build the lines. Go ahead, name one where the pilots get together and decide how many hours the lines will average, and the company accepts whatever they say. Because if you can name one, then tell me so I can apply there.

Yes we have a scheduling committee that can try to work with the company, offer suggestions, make requests to crew planning. But ultimately the pilot group can not decide for the company how many hours each lineholder flies.

Flyer172...doesnt it suck that you have to preech common sence! Well said though!

 

[great cornholio]

I don't really understand whats going on over there I have friends there and they are flying 90 hour lines but they are putting people on the street. What ever happened to the old standby of everyone going to 75 hours to keep jobs? I guess that is where the sh$%ty company factor comes into play...

Seriously where has the pilot group gone wrong in allowing this? Where has the TSA MEC gone wrong in allowing this? Are guys picking up open time? I'm really starting to feel less sorry for theese guys every day for allowing their company to operate like a 120 and a 1/2 operation.

You can save the "it's not their fault, they can't controll management" bullsh%$t for someone else. Thanks.

Most people end up with 90 hour lines at the end of the month cause they are built to around 8 - 83 and flying thru ORD and getting JR'd helps bump up the pay. Like it was said before we dont build the parings or the lines thats up to Crew Planning. We have a committe that can make suggestions, but crew planning doesnt have to listen.

The thing is that after the furloughs the reserve coverage in STL is going to drop down to a low of 4%...thats right 4...so thats not good. The reserve coverage in RIC will be a little better at like 10 or 15%. After the last round of furloughs we had to cancel a few flights cause of no FO's availiable. We didnt really see this round comming cause it makes no sense excpet for contract negotiations tactics.

The only people that I've heard about picking up open time since the first round of furloughs were forced to pick it up cause they were juniored.

 

[Motive Flow]

I hate to see furloughs, but I spent two years on furlough at eagle in 01-03 all the while TSA was flying AA colors and hiring

. It sucks.
At least you don't have 400+ flowbacks at your company! But I have to say that most of them are awsome to fly with even the TWA fellas.

Hay eagle hiring.

New email today

35 CA's and 40 fo vac's

take care.

A small correction to this. TSA had guys and gals furloughed until the end of 2002 (I was one of 'em). We didn't start hiring again until the end of 2002.
Good to see that Eagle is hiring. Just one more greener pasture for our recent furloughees to aim for.

 

[rjacobs]

I got a good one. Im getting furloughed, so im gonna go out with dignity and finish my schedule. Well, I was updating my resume and was looking at my time review thing on the crewtrack site and I see I am at 130 hours of pay credit for the month, WTFO I thought. So I look and it says DFI, drop for IOE. So im getting paid for my 20 hour trip to not fly it and they put a 12 hour trip on me. HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA, if they didnt do ******************** like this maybe they wouldnt have to furlough to save money. There gonna pay me 600 bucks to fly 10 hours. I LOVE IT.

 

[ERJFO]

Find me one airline where pilots build the lines. Go ahead, name one where the pilots get together and decide how many hours the lines will average, and the company accepts whatever they say. Because if you can name one, then tell me so I can apply there.

Yes we have a scheduling committee that can try to work with the company, offer suggestions, make requests to crew planning. But ultimately the pilot group can not decide for the company how many hours each lineholder flies.

The last time ExpressJet furloughed the union got the company to get all lines down to min (75 hours), they also offered leaves of absense, as well as non-flying lines that paid half of gaurntee. At ExpressJet there are also pilots that build lines. So when are you going to apply?

 

[flyer172r]

The last time ExpressJet furloughed the union got the company to get all lines down to min (75 hours), they also offered leaves of absense, as well as non-flying lines that paid half of gaurntee. At ExpressJet there are also pilots that build lines. So when are you going to apply?

Given that I'll probably be furloughed next month, I might be applying this afternoon. I wish all management was as nice about that as ExpressJet's, unfortunately TSA's isn't and never will be.

 

[rjacobs]

I applied at Express jet and hopefully have somebody walking in my resume if they come through for me.

 

[mckpickle]

Find me one airline where pilots build the lines. Go ahead, name one where the pilots get together and decide how many hours the lines will average, and the company accepts whatever they say. Because if you can name one, then tell me so I can apply there.

Yes we have a scheduling committee that can try to work with the company, offer suggestions, make requests to crew planning. But ultimately the pilot group can not decide for the company how many hours each lineholder flies.

Ok, I'll bite. I Build all the pilot lines for EWR at XJT. I'm just a regular line pilot. I have a counterpart in IAH and CLE as well. ALPA and the company split the cost of buying our trips for the 3-4 days we do line construction. We have parameters that we must go by but so does the company. For instance, they cannot build lines with over an 88 hour average without our approval. They also cannot have lines build with over 95 hours of block without our approval. This is all written in the contract.

 

[aviatornick]

i know at least 6 people who aren't picking up open time and they NEVER answer there calls when scheduling tries to junior them.

 

[flyinsick]

See realbigfish's answer to this.

I just counted the lines for July and 38 lines have over 90 hrs in them. May has 48 lines with over 90 hrs in them. There is not a line even close to our guarantee. If you make the lines smaller we all have a job. but we are too buisy blaming Go Jets to ask management for a change.

Dog eat dog remember.

 

[flyinsick]

The last time ExpressJet furloughed the union got the company to get all lines down to min (75 hours), they also offered leaves of absense, as well as non-flying lines that paid half of gaurntee. At ExpressJet there are also pilots that build lines. So when are you going to apply?

Class act!

 

[mckpickle]

XJT also offered "NO-FLY" lines when we were over staffed. A pilot got 55 hours of pay and off for the whole month.

 

[aviatornick]

month paid vacation! sweeeeeeeeeeet

 

[flyer172r]

See realbigfish's answer to this.

I just counted the lines for July and 38 lines have over 90 hrs in them. May has 48 lines with over 90 hrs in them. There is not a line even close to our guarantee. If you make the lines smaller we all have a job. but we are too buisy blaming Go Jets to ask management for a change.

Dog eat dog remember.

We can ask management for a change until we're blue in the face but that still doesn't change the fact that they don't have to listen to us. I'll admit, I honestly did not know XJT had that much control over their schedules. That's great for them, I honestly truely mean that. I wish TSA had that, but in terms of quality companies nobody would ever compare TSA to XJT.

And by the way, how do you know the MEC isn't asking for more, smaller lines. Don't assume that a few guys with nothing better to do than hang around flightinfo all day (guilty) are representative of everything that's going on.

 

[mckpickle]

We can ask management for a change until we're blue in the face but that still doesn't change the fact that they don't have to listen to us. I'll admit, I honestly did not know XJT had that much control over their schedules. That's great for them, I honestly truely mean that. I wish TSA had that, but in terms of quality companies nobody would ever compare TSA to XJT.

And by the way, how do you know the MEC isn't asking for more, smaller lines. Don't assume that a few guys with nothing better to do than hang around flightinfo all day (guilty) are representative of everything that's going on.

I certainly hope you guys get it a LOT better over there. I started with XJT back in 97. It was a completely diferent world then. Hostile management, horrible pay etc. I truely hope the best for you guys as no one deserves to be treated this way. Just stick together, elect good leadership and you can make it happen eventually. Good luck!

 

[Reebo]

Are guys picking up open time?

Not me! I haven't flown any "extra" trips since Nov '01. I was "educated" about how you are suppose to act when there are pilots on furlough.

There are still those out there who "love" to fly. Just check the final master awards and you get a run down on who flys the most. I here guys bragging all the time about how they're going to "time out" late in the year.

Unless I'm "juniored" no extra flying for me