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TSA Audit of Instructor records?
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they don't want to go back to their old jobs? Burger King wasn't that bad when I worked there
sqwkvfr
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I have to meet w/ a TSA guy this weekend so he can review my records for the one part-time gig I have training a German national for IFR.
I'll post a PIREP when it's over...provided I'm not being flown on a Jepp-suported flight in a Gulfstream to an eastern European prison for "re-education."
I'll post a PIREP when it's over...provided I'm not being flown on a Jepp-suported flight in a Gulfstream to an eastern European prison for "re-education."
Way2Broke
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I would say that they want to make sure that you have been thru the required training found here
http://download.tsa.dhs.gov/fssa/training/
and that you are screening for and giving the required logbook endorsement found here
http://www.aopa.org/tsa_rule/
Good luck
http://download.tsa.dhs.gov/fssa/training/
and that you are screening for and giving the required logbook endorsement found here
http://www.aopa.org/tsa_rule/
Good luck
Way2Broke
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And here is a checklist for what to expect during the inspection
http://www.aopa.org/tsa_rule/schools/
http://www.aopa.org/tsa_rule/schools/
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Serious answer:
They are looking for compliance with the TSA rule on flight training that's been around for about 3 years now: are you getting your annual certificate? Are you self-certifying that you did? Are you checking primary, instrument, and multi student's passports or birth certificate/license combos? Are you crossing the right dots if you are training aliens?
Non-serious answer: never mind, it would only get me in trouble.
sqwkvfr
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Inspection PIREP
Here it is:
The TSA checks to make certain that you have the correct records. Metro's list was very helpful.
If you have any aliens, make sure that you have copies of their info. I made a copy (color) of my guy's DL, passport, resident alien card (or visa, whichever is applicable) PPL, medical certificate, the photo that you're required to upload to the AFSP website, and his addresses for the last five years. Also, pull those e-mails off of the Alien provider website and print out copies of them. They include info about the alien paying his fee, and that is something that you should have on file.
I also made copies of my info...instructor certs, DL, medical, and anything else I thought might be relevant.
I did not take my logbook or my records of endorsements given...I was not asked about them.
I took all of this info, spiral bound it with a nice cover, and gave it to the inspector. He said he'd never seen it so organized before and seemed happy that I was willing to give him a copy.
THis is the deal as he explained it to me....he had formerly worked for the FAA -what he described as a "GOTCHA" sortof agency-. The TSA is NOT that way.....the TSA depends largely on help and input from people like us in order for them to be effective...without our help, they simply couldn't do their jobs.
If we thought that the TSA would bust us for every little thing, we would clam up every time they showed up or called....and that's completely counterproductive to the mission of their agency.
It was pleasant experience....being former law enforcement, the insector opened up a little as to some of the stuff that they'd been able to do and some the techniques that they use to detect threats....and I gotta tell ya, despite the bashing that the TSA gets on this board, I was impressed and feel a lot better knowing that these guys are out there.
Here it is:
The TSA checks to make certain that you have the correct records. Metro's list was very helpful.
If you have any aliens, make sure that you have copies of their info. I made a copy (color) of my guy's DL, passport, resident alien card (or visa, whichever is applicable) PPL, medical certificate, the photo that you're required to upload to the AFSP website, and his addresses for the last five years. Also, pull those e-mails off of the Alien provider website and print out copies of them. They include info about the alien paying his fee, and that is something that you should have on file.
I also made copies of my info...instructor certs, DL, medical, and anything else I thought might be relevant.
I did not take my logbook or my records of endorsements given...I was not asked about them.
I took all of this info, spiral bound it with a nice cover, and gave it to the inspector. He said he'd never seen it so organized before and seemed happy that I was willing to give him a copy.
THis is the deal as he explained it to me....he had formerly worked for the FAA -what he described as a "GOTCHA" sortof agency-. The TSA is NOT that way.....the TSA depends largely on help and input from people like us in order for them to be effective...without our help, they simply couldn't do their jobs.
If we thought that the TSA would bust us for every little thing, we would clam up every time they showed up or called....and that's completely counterproductive to the mission of their agency.
It was pleasant experience....being former law enforcement, the insector opened up a little as to some of the stuff that they'd been able to do and some the techniques that they use to detect threats....and I gotta tell ya, despite the bashing that the TSA gets on this board, I was impressed and feel a lot better knowing that these guys are out there.
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I haven't gone through a TSA audit, but I know several instructors who have. Last summer they went through the flight schools and a bunch of independent instructors in our area and I assume they'll go through again this summer.
They've all said it was a low-stress experience and had high marks for the TSA.
They didn't get the sense the TSA was out to get them, but looking for their help and very cool about the whole deal with a good spirit of cooperation.
So, if you keep the proper records (piece of cake, really), self-certify or go through the recurrent training put on by your employer it sounds like it'll be a smooth and pleasant experience. I'm actually sort of looking forward to one, just to see what it's like.
They've all said it was a low-stress experience and had high marks for the TSA.
They didn't get the sense the TSA was out to get them, but looking for their help and very cool about the whole deal with a good spirit of cooperation.
So, if you keep the proper records (piece of cake, really), self-certify or go through the recurrent training put on by your employer it sounds like it'll be a smooth and pleasant experience. I'm actually sort of looking forward to one, just to see what it's like.
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One of these days we have to figure out how to bill the government for doing all their security work for them. Makes a lot more sense to have the TSA investigate the backgrounds of foreigners and give them a certificate saying they have the right to receive flight instruction in the US and put them in an easily accessible data base for CFI's to check. Relying on CFI's to verify the background credentials of foreigners is a big joke.
Well put. I'm not an active CFI anymore, but if I was I think I would send the TSA a bill for my time, just to see what kind of a response I got. Somebody should try it, with any luck it would help them see what we think of this stuff. I suppose I could bill all my time from 2005, if the IRS can do it, why couldn't I?
Amish RakeFight
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A couple of years ago I got a random out of the blue call from a TSA guy who somehow got hold of my CFI business card left at a place I hadn't instructed at in well over a year or so. Basically wanted me to fax him a copy of that certificate you print out from the security quiz. He also asked a few other questions about students in general, what type of flying I did and was checking to see whether I had been complying or at least knew how to, with new TSA regs.
I haven't instructed in about ten years, but will probably start doing a little insturcting on the side. Basically, I don't know anything about what you guys are talking about. Can you provide a link where I can learn what I need to do, or let me know. You can PM me so we don't waste space here. Thanks!
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