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Trouble at IBT747

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IBT Airlines Division Takes Over Cape Air Pilots' Local


April 2, 2009: The Airline Division of the International Brotherhood of Teamsters says it has removed one of its locals from bargaining with a small Massachusetts-based carrier because of “unacceptably substandard representation.”

In an unusual move, the international issued a press release March 27 in which Airline Director David Bourne said that he is replacing Teamsters Local 747 as the bargaining agent for pilots employed by Cape Air, Inc., who are now in mediation. The division will take over representation directly and decide later on assignment to another local, he said.

But officials from Local 747 responded with a flurry of letters contending that the local is not the bargaining representative of the Cape Air pilots, defending their conduct, and urging IBT President James P. Hoffa to retract the press release.

A spokeswoman for Cape Air said that negotiations for a first contract to cover approximately 120 active pilots have been continuing for some time. She declined to comment on the union dispute. Cape Air, based in Hyannis, Mass., says it is the largest independent regional airline in the country, serving Cape Cod, New York state, the mid-Atlantic, the Florida Keys, the Caribbean, and Micronesia. Cape Air pilots voted for IBT representation in 2006.

Bourne, the director of the Airline Division, told BNA April 1 that he removed Local 747 in response to complaints from Cape Air pilots that they were “not getting the representation they needed.” An election to replace IBT with the independent Cape Air Pilots Association is scheduled for later this month, Bourne said, and pilots at other carriers are seeking to leave the union because of poor service from Local 747.

Pilots at Great Lakes Aviation are now voting on whether to replace Local 747, and decertification drives at “three or four” other carriers are under way, Bourne said. Local 747 represents about 5,000 pilots at 12 airlines, according to the local. According to the National Mediation Board Web site, ballots cast by pilots at Great Lakes on representation by IBT or the United Transportation Union will be counted April 8.

Local 747 President and General Counsel E.E. Sowell called the press release “a fabricated attempt to undermine the local.” In a March 29 letter to Hoffa, he said that the local “does not now, nor have we ever, represented the pilots of Cape Air, Inc.”
Sowell explained that the former Airline Division Director Don Treichler had agreed to continue as chief bargainer after his replacement by Bourne last year and that Local 747 had agreed to fund the negotiations until a first contract was settled, at which time the pilots would become part of Local 747.

Local 747 had refused to accept the Cape Air pilots because it could not afford to adhere to a policy of not collecting dues until a first contract was reached, Sowell said.

A spokeswoman for the local, Ashley B. Marsh, said April 1 that pilots at Cape Air were dissatisfied because the IBT Airline Division “dropped the ball” in negotiations. “They were never under our umbrella,” she said.

The decertification petition at Great Lakes stems from a takeover of an airline where pilots were represented by the UTU, which is seeking bargaining rights at the successor carrier, Marsh said. Local 747 is not aware of dissatisfaction at any other airline, and “we have been receiving letters of support” from pilots since the dispute became public, she said.

Several other Local 747 officials also wrote to the international, questioning why the airline division would publicly attack a local and arguing that an airing of the dispute would strengthen union opponents.

But Bourne said “it doesn't help anybody” to keep the controversy secret and that it was important to let pilots and airlines know that the international is working to address complaints.
 
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tyuwerty

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Sowell's little house of cards starting to fall down? That is just horrible....:)
 

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Teamsters is nothing but a Mob created, scumbag union who thinks nothing about the people they "Supposedly" represent and only about themselves and how much money they make. They are no different than ALPA another Scumbag union. Union's are a necessary evil in our line of work, but in my opinion, unionizing in house is the way to GO!!!!
 

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I totally agree, that is the only way to guarantee that dues are actually spent for the benefit of the pilots employed at the company, not subsidizing overhead for weaker companies and regional carriers.
 

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Great Lakes voted IBT747 out! UTU is in!

273 eligible voters
209 voted UTU
0 voted IBT.

The message is loud and clear.

The decertification petition at Great Lakes stems from a takeover of an airline where pilots were represented by the UTU, which is seeking bargaining rights at the successor carrier, Marsh said

Patently false, and ignorant, considering they claimed to represent us. We did not take over Big Sky. We bid for their dormant EAS contracts, and coincidentally leased several of their former aircraft form Mesa. That's where the connections begin and end.

The movement was an entirely in-house, grassroots effort by native Lakers. Also proof that if you don't like the state of affairs, get off your duff and change them. We formed a committee of 11 folks, put in some hard work, lots of face time, and a few phone calls, and made it happen. Goodbye, Sowell, Rainey, and all the other crooks in Houston!
 
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UTU All the way!

Hoo-AH!

Now I need to make sure Teamsters doesn't take any more of my money...what little I have.
 

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About 10 years ago I was sitting in the ORD crew room with Captain Sid "Viscious". We were IMT based on the E120. Don Treichler came in and was looking around and finally asked us if we were pilots or FAs.

Now why is it that any 5 year old can tell the difference between a pilot and a FA (we were in uniform) but this moron from the Teamsters couldn't tell the difference? I pretty much knew right then that we did not have any union representation.
 

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Teamsters is nothing but a Mob created, scumbag union who thinks nothing about the people they "Supposedly" represent and only about themselves and how much money they make. They are no different than ALPA another Scumbag union. Union's are a necessary evil in our line of work, but in my opinion, unionizing in house is the way to GO!!!!

In-house unions are even more worthless than the IBT. For pilots, ALPA is the only way to go, despite its faults.
 

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Teamsters is nothing but a Mob created, scumbag union who thinks nothing about the people they "Supposedly" represent and only about themselves and how much money they make. They are no different than ALPA another Scumbag union. Union's are a necessary evil in our line of work, but in my opinion, unionizing in house is the way to GO!!!!

That is actually a contradiction of terms. An in-house union is an association. Traditionally, unions tend to have solidarity between the different trades. However, an association is only in it for themselves and in the scope of national/world labor movements, they're much less effective.
 

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In-house unions are even more worthless than the IBT. For pilots, ALPA is the only way to go, despite its faults.

Well maybe, but lets not forget that ALPA has blown off some smaller pilot groups that have approached them about representation.
 

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Well maybe, but lets not forget that ALPA has blown off some smaller pilot groups that have approached them about representation.

But now they've embraced ComuteAir, Colgan, Capital Cargo, Evergreen along with a few more north of the border.

Good enough for AirTran and the above mentioned airlines but not good enough for the Great Lakes pilots I guess.:confused:
 
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Well maybe, but lets not forget that ALPA has blown off some smaller pilot groups that have approached them about representation.

Such as Chautauqua.......
 

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But now they've embraced ComuteAir, Colgan, Capital Cargo, Evergreen along with a few more north of the border.

Good enough for AirTran and the above mentioned airlines but not good enough for the Great Lakes pilots I guess.:confused:

There was a small pro-ALPA faction to the bitter end, but at the end of the day UTU made a better case to the Lakes pilots, and won many more hearts and minds right out of the starting gate. Their excitement came through loud and clear. They were responding to emails almost instantly on a Sunday night. They returned phone calls from Africa. ALPA's organizing side needs to realize that a cursory conversation with Joe Line Pilot can have far-reaching effects. That pilot might not sound important over the phone, but he just might hold the keys to an entire airline. One dropped ball can put everything else in a negative light.

Also, ZK has a whipped-puppy mentality sometimes, expecting to be shat on at every turn. I don't know how many times I heard the fear expressed that 'ALPA will forget/ignore us.' May or may not be the case, but that was the perception. The group chose "jewel in the crown" versus "bottom of the barrel."

Anyway, change was what we needed the most, a rebranding. Mission accomplished, now there's lots more work to be done.
 

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There was a small pro-ALPA faction to the bitter end, but at the end of the day UTU made a better case to the Lakes pilots, and won many more hearts and minds right out of the starting gate. Their excitement came through loud and clear. They were responding to emails almost instantly on a Sunday night. They returned phone calls from Africa. ALPA's organizing side needs to realize that a cursory conversation with Joe Line Pilot can have far-reaching effects. That pilot might not sound important over the phone, but he just might hold the keys to an entire airline. One dropped ball can put everything else in a negative light.

Also, ZK has a whipped-puppy mentality sometimes, expecting to be shat on at every turn. I don't know how many times I heard the fear expressed that 'ALPA will forget/ignore us.' May or may not be the case, but that was the perception. The group chose "jewel in the crown" versus "bottom of the barrel."

Anyway, change was what we needed the most, a rebranding. Mission accomplished, now there's lots more work to be done.

That didn't stop anyone from voting ALPA. I see that not even one vote was for ALPA. Not even that pro-ALPA faction that didn't seem bitter enough at the end to vote for ALPA. Anyways, good luck.
 

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You're right. The IPA has done so poorly for UPS pilots over the years.
Everybody loves their union when times are good. It's when times are bad things get ugly. I don't wish bad things on any airline but if the fit ever hits the shan at UPS or even Southwest you may well see pro-ALPA rumblings.

(The US Airways debacle is an exception. They only dumped ALPA because they thought it would undue a binding arbitration result they didn't like. ALPA could be back on property in a year.)

Cardinal said:
There was a small pro-ALPA faction to the bitter end, but at the end of the day UTU made a better case to the Lakes pilots, and won many more hearts and minds right out of the starting gate. Their excitement came through loud and clear.
Wait until the excitement wears off and reality sets in.
 
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