Travel Management Company's New PAY and SCHEDULE

[Skippy]

anyone want to post

 

[Skippy]

i cant get it to format correctly

 

[Skippy]

anyone

 

[Skippy]

does anyone understand it?

 

[Jack Mehoff]

for a program initiated to reduce the turn over rate it sure as hell looks like its going to accelerate it. Perhaps they need to re think this one

 

[cherry20's]

Is it a raise at all? Did you get a week schedule option back?

 

[Da Vinci]

i'm wondering the same thing...from the other thread, it seems they are doing a daily rate and therefore no salary. It sounds horrible for anyone who is not a 20 something cfi out of school.

 

[Flying Biker]

Besides the 15/13 schedule, I was told that they were going to bring back the 8/6 schedule for those that want it but there was going to be a 10K/y reduction in pay. They also were bringing in a 15/13 Flex along with the captains reserve, but there was no guarantee in pay or nothing.

All vacation was taken away and they were going to give 2 days sick and 5 bonus days (whatever that is) but the accrual didn't start till today. It was said that some 20 pilots were going to get the letters yesterday telling them so long, but I have not gotten any confirmation on that. It also sounded like they went to some kind of merit system so it didn't matter how long you have been with them, it all depended on how well you kissed management ars to get better pay. I forgot to ask about benefits but hearing all the other stuff, I am sure those will be cut as well.

What was once a good company to work for sounds like it turned into a real management screw.

 

[Freedom]

Your best revenge.....

Besides the 15/13 schedule, I was told that they were going to bring back the 8/6 schedule for those that want it but there was going to be a 10K/y reduction in pay. They also were bringing in a 15/13 Flex along with the captains reserve, but there was no guarantee in pay or nothing.

All vacation was taken away and they were going to give 2 days sick and 5 bonus days (whatever that is) but the accrual didn't start till today. It was said that some 20 pilots were going to get the letters yesterday telling them so long, but I have not gotten any confirmation on that. It also sounded like they went to some kind of merit system so it didn't matter how long you have been with them, it all depended on how well you kissed management ars to get better pay. I forgot to ask about benefits but hearing all the other stuff, I am sure those will be cut as well.

What was once a good company to work for sounds like it turned into a real management screw.

......is to Screw them right Back, leave, get your buddies to leave, and drive their Turnover Costs through the roof.

They are counting on their Pilots not having the balls to pick up their tools, and find a new job site.

If you don't, they Win. Its that simple.

Anyone that stays there beyond 6 months from now, assuming today starts their job search, deserves everything they are being given.

As I've said before, the place is not worth a fight for a union and a contract; its not a career destination.

The best revenge will be to find another job, even if its not a better one.

A lateral move can certainly be justified to any future employer with just a copy of the emails that were sent out downgrading you from a salaried employee, to a day laborer.


Good Luck Guys

 

[Da Vinci]

i'm really sorry to hear this is happening there. I thought it used to be a decent place. Is it corporate greed? now that things are picking up-they want more of the profits? Or is it that they think the pilots don't have anywhere to go so they can treat them any way they want?

 

[johnsonrod]

If the numbers/data is correct, TMC even makes the regionals look good. 15 days on the road in a row (how can you do that with a family?) for $40-50K as an FO on a Beechjet does not sound appealing - regardless of your open domicile policy. That's too bad because I looked at applying to TMC a few years back when the schedule was more manageable (8/6). I'd love to hear management's spin on this one...

The truth hurts. Yeah, I'd say a pilot exodus is in order.

 

[FL430]

TMC is a hole!! there are sooooo manny of us looking to leave them now! Turnover will be crazy. SHEN, SWIS, and queer C.P. DEMM can stick their day pay where the sun dont shine... No pilots, no job for them either!
Beginning of the end for this half a** place.

Good luck to the Professional Pilots

 

[BayBum37ft]

I have a neighbor who flies for Delta Private Jets (was Delta Air Elite) and she was talking how management wants a similar pay rate program based on how many days you work AND based on the revenue you produce. Guys and girls, remember you control the log book!!
I'm just saying

 

[bartttman]

I have a neighbor who flies for Delta Private Jets (was Delta Air Elite) and she was talking how management wants a similar pay rate program based on how many days you work AND based on the revenue you produce. Guys and girls, remember you control the log book!!
I'm just saying

With all the consolidation that has occurred in the industry, it would not surprise me as a former TMC pilot if SWIS and SHEN are preparing the company to merge with Delta Private Jets. Right before I left we were each doing alot of brokered charter work for each other. Good luck working for Seagraves V 2.0.....not.

Truly a shame, because the pilots at TMC are some of the best and most professional group I have ever flown with. I feel fortunate to get out when I did.

 

[DA10]

Guys are ready to leave for just about anything at this point. As far as those training contracts go, as soon as they changed the terms of employment (for the worse) from salary to day-rate, they voided all of those training contracts.

 

[Freedom]

Completely True Statement

Guys are ready to leave for just about anything at this point. As far as those training contracts go, as soon as they changed the terms of employment (for the worse) from salary to day-rate, they voided all of those training contracts.

They may threaten legal action against you, but as soon as they changed the conditions under which you signed those agreements, there is not a Judge anywhere that would uphold them.

Of course, if they think they can scare you into paying, you might have to hire an attorney to defend you, but you can always go after your legal fees as well when you counter them.

Frankly, I hope they don't lay off anyone and just let guys leave without conflict. There are a bunch of extremely hard working, highly skilled Pilots working at TMC. They deserve much better than this.

If Management had any HONOR, they would come out and clearly state that anyone who wishes to leave before the end of their Agreement, will be held harmless. This way, anyone that really wants out, will not have anything holding them back, and perhaps, layoffs would not be needed (or at least less of them).

At the very least, Management should make this attempt. I remember working for an On-Demand Charter operation where we had just lost a big contract, and the Chief Pilot put out 2 warning letters within a month of eachother to give us a heads up that cuts were coming. I had an in elsewhere and took another job, the company released me from my training agreement, and the Chief Pilot told me I was not one they planned to layoff, as they were going to layoff the First Officers they felt they could not upgrade, and that by leaving, I just saved another Pilot's job.

Imagine that, a class act from a Part 135 On-Demand Freight operator.

Perhaps TMC could show just as much class. I know the Pilot Managers there have it in them, all they have to do is stand up and do the right thing, even if the bean counter and the boss may not like it. Imagine this: If you stand up for something, maybe the bossman might actually have a little more respect for you?

Unfortunately, the realist in me, believes this entire action has a much greater intent. Namely, cut Captain's who are not willing to fly the airplane in an illegal manner (not writing up significant discrepancies) and then, give those who remain a financial incentive to fly the airplanes illegally. I mean, imagine the conversation in the cockpit: If we write this up now, they will perhaps send us home while the birds in maintenance and we will be getting no pay for those days. Let's just ride it out til the end of the tour. Then you just dump your maint issues on the next crew, perhaps if you have any morals you verbally brief them, and now they have to deal with it. Nice.

Good Luck to the Hard Working Pilots. I know what its like to bust your balls for 15 days straight, while keeping it safe and legal, and keeping the customers happy. I can't imagine how unappreciated you all must now feel.