Trans States joins the party

[Jungle Prop]

http://biz.yahoo.com/rc/030710/airlines_united_1.html

 

[spitfire1940]

um, let's see here .... I guess that s BAD news for ACA?

 

[Skank]

..and for United?

 

[jobear]

I seem to remember a couple years ago that UAL dumped TSA out on the left coast ,correct? Wasn't there bad blood between'em or is UAL just looking to dump all it's other contracts?
(Not intended as flame bait)
Jus wunderin
Jobear

 

[General Lee]

No, I think they were flying E145's for them out of ORD, to places like Roanoke, VA.

Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[Heavy_D_Driver]

Mesa Was Dumped Too

Mesa used to be a United Express carrier back in the mid '90's but UAL ended up dumping Mesa for numerous reasons but mainly because of Mesa's poor completion factor and poor on-time performance. Now Mesa is once again a United Express carrier mainly because they underbid everyone else on the United contract. Like everything in business- you get what you pay for. Mesa hasen't changed- their completion factor still is in the toilet and their on-time performance is still terrible.

 

[jetdriven]

so when are you gonna call TSA pilots whores????

And why does every thread about this shiznitt have to contain some wisecrack about mesa??

Dont you guys have something else to bitch about??

 

[Networ-King]

Hey Jet,

Your avatar is worth a thousand words and you'll find your answer there. Also the fact that your Doggy style, work for Mesa, and carry KY in your overnight?????????? Are you out of the closet yet?

just stating the obvious

 

[WhiteCloud]

so when are you gonna call TSA pilots whores????

And why does every thread about this shiznitt have to contain some wisecrack about mesa??

You're the one with the KY jelly next to the MESA logo dude. It's funny but it also speaks to the MESA pilot groups bending over and taking it. If you have a problem with the MESA pilot groups image and reputation you should work to change it.

 

[reno]

Can't we all just get along? Jezz!!!!

 

[DarnNearaJet]

I think ACA decided a while back that working for UAL is a dead-end street. What "Plan B" is I'm not sure.

UAL does not care about loyalty or past performance. Simply costs.

 

[OneTuffGuy]

we all complain at MESA cause all this is your fault. If you had not voted yes to your crappy contract then there is no way all the other companies would be so far underbid by MESA and maybe just maybe people would like MESA since we would not loose our jobs to you.

 

[CRJ puppy]

we all complain at MESA cause all this is your fault. If you had not voted yes to your crappy contract then there is no way all the other companies would be so far underbid by MESA and maybe just maybe people would like MESA since we would not loose our jobs to you.

Never mind the spelling and grammar errors...

I just want to say: "hunh?!?" to the above.


(btw: I don't work for Mesa.)

 

[Machdog1]

Again MESA sucks, keep adding those codeshares!!
Whores!!
P.S.
Cheap whores!!

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

ACA is probably getting the boot, because they have worst on time performance of any airline. So stop blaming Mesa. I dont hear anyboby upset at Skywesy for taking all of Mesa flying in the 90. But thats ok right, because its Mesa

 

[KingAirKiddo]

ACA is probably getting the boot, because they have worst on time performance of any airline. So stop blaming Mesa. I dont hear anyboby upset at Skywesy for taking all of Mesa flying in the 90. But thats ok right, because its Mesa

We'll just see what happens when Mesa (and Skywest, for that matter) start coming into ORD and IAD and the rest of the northeast corridor on a regular basis. You'll soon learn about little things like flow control and penalty boxes. Additionally, our on time numbers include the Delta side which definitely suffers due to dispatch reliability in the 328JET (nice airplane which fits its niche well, but very unreliable especially since Fairchild's BK).

For the record, ACA is probably getting the boot because our visionary, forward thinking senior management refuses to weaken our position as a company by accepting pathetic profit margins and suspect contractual terms. While ACA as United Express carrier may be coming to an end, ACA the company is going nowhere. Oh, and just for the record...Mesa Air Group will never provide RJ feed for ACA when the time comes.

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

We'll just see what happens when Mesa (and Skywest, for that matter) start coming into ORD and IAD and the rest of the northeast corridor on a regular basis. You'll soon learn about little things like flow control and penalty boxes.


Yeah, cuz we Mesa guys never go to dem reel big airports like you cool ACA boys. That part is kinda lame, but; I do have to agree with you on the Fairchild thing. Why'd you guys get so many of those things anyway?

Have they always been troublesome or has it recently just become an issue.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

We already fly in the north east, we can handle it. Oh by the way I sure mesa will let you guys run an RJ feed for us when the time comes.

 

[46Driver]

The DoJet is a great airplane - when it works.... It really fits the small turboprop niche and can make more money on thinner routes than the CRJ. (We seat 32 vice the CRJ's 50.) We were guaranteed maintenance support from Fairchild Dornier but they went bankrupt on their 428 and 728 programs. Those would have been NICE airplanes (especially the 728 - quite similar to the big Embraur) (sp?) but Fairchild was late to the RJ market and most of the orders were already filled by the companies from Canada and Brazil. I believe General George Patton said a good plan executed NOW is better than a great plan next week.

I have never said anything bad about MESA or Trans States (I have good friends there) and I will not - y'all are pilots just like us and it would only be charitable to wish others good luck - just as the Comair bubbas have been professional and charitable to us in Cincy. As for ACA, honestly, I believe our management does not like the long term chances of United and is cutting the lifeboats loose from the deck of the Titanic. Things are going to get interesting - and we should find out a lot more on July 28th.

 

[General Lee]

My question is who else will ACA contract for? Delta is full. Who?

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[46Driver]

General,
I know it won't be Delta (and not for the reason you stated - I am starting to believe management will find a way around a scope clause as surely as they did the no-furlough clause) but because of our poor performance with the ACJet operation. I think we have it running fine now but we certainly did leave a bad impression at Delta.

The most talked about is a LCC venture with Richard Branson. I have also heard a rumor about Northwest, Continental, JetBlue, etc, etc, etc - basically every other airline. I put my money on AirTran since they are already using Air Whiskey now but that is absolutely nothing more than a guess on my part. Finally, there is the prospect of going it alone since we just bought back the ACJet operating certificate and purchased a reservation system (those might be used for the LCC as well.) I think we will find out something by the end of the month.

 

[MJG]

Things are going to get interesting - and we should find out a lot more on July 28th.

Time for my dumb question: What happens on July 28th ?

 

[Tug Driver]

We'll just see what happens when Mesa (and Skywest, for that matter) start coming into ORD and IAD and the rest of the northeast corridor on a regular basis. You'll soon learn about little things like flow control and penalty boxes.

I agree with kingairkid. The reason that ACA's performace looks so bad on paper is because we deal with massive snow storms and unpredictible popcorn thunderstorms. plus our ORD hub is centered in the busiest airspace in the country.

like i said before, my aca station is being fazed out to an airwiskey station and i bet that we will see much more of that in the future. this news of tsa, sets the stage for an east coast take over. seems like UAL doesnt want to talk anymore...

 

[jetdriven]

Again MESA sucks, keep adding those codeshares!!
Whores!!
P.S.
Cheap whores!!

enjoy that J41, you just might retire in it..........

 

[Machdog1]

I agree our performance numbers have been severely affected by the weather. Out in the west coast they don't have much weather and not nearly as much traffic, so naturely there #'s are going to be better, aka skywest and I think MESA. We basically fly the same A/C so its not so much a MX deal. The other new companies will have to deal with it when they start taking over our stations. Our company sees the writing on the wall and they do not want to be tied to a sinking ship (UAL). The regional industry is so screwed up right now with this under bidding SH$%IT that we seem to not want to be a part of it any more. I really can't see how MESA and these other low ballers are going to make any money, and I also think that companies like MESA and skywest are bitting more then they can chew. I guess we will have to see the outcome on that though. The reason why I get mad at MESA is that you as pilots work for a company that seems so greedy and low down that they will bid so cheap to get additional flying even if they lose money doing it. They offer you a contract that you say is an improvement but really I can't see how with a 70 hour guarantee and 8 days off for reserve lines ,that sucks!! The fact of the matter is you will probably work the rest of your careers at a regional and I am sorry you can't take a step back when others are trying to take a step forward!! Whatever the outcome of ACA is if we go out on our own or we end up on the street , I think we will be in a better situation instead of constantly trying to underbid each other!! Good luck to all!!

 

[Machdog1]

I will gladly retire in the 41!!!!
Keep on using that KY at MESA!! If I were you I would'nt talk with that picture hanging up!!

 

[DarnNearaJet]

We already fly in the north east, we can handle it. Oh by the way I sure mesa will let you guys run an RJ feed for us when the time comes.

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Sounds like a deal, since our 50-seat rates will undoubtably be higher than whatever you'll be making flying a 737 at Mesa. Enjoy your 8 days off a month.

 

[WmuBronco]

Kind of cracks me up you guys blaming your completion factors on weather. Express Jet CF is always above 95%. Most recently 99%. Oh that's right they fly out of that low volume traffic airport called Newark. Give me a break. Don't make excuses, my bet is, it has something to do with the jetstreams.

 

[KingAirKiddo]

We'll just see what happens when Mesa (and Skywest, for that matter) start coming into ORD and IAD and the rest of the northeast corridor on a regular basis. You'll soon learn about little things like flow control and penalty boxes.


Yeah, cuz we Mesa guys never go to dem reel big airports like you cool ACA boys. That part is kinda lame, but; I do have to agree with you on the Fairchild thing. Why'd you guys get so many of those things anyway?

Have they always been troublesome or has it recently just become an issue.

Actually, just disregard the northeast corridor part of my statement...just wait until a majority of your flights are in and out of ORD, then we'll have this discussion.

And I stand by my statement that Mesa will never provide RJ feed to ACA Come on, gotta have a little fun here...