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I kind of like the classics, except for that stupid NAV switch I keep forgetting. :)

Still, there is no denying the fact that SWA has issues with landing airplanes, with the same kind of problems coming up over and over again. Until this company figures out why it can't seem to fix this problem, the very idea of a SWA pilot of any origin flying a BC Loc to minimums in a Classic is a rather scary thought. Worth at least a few Ave Marias prior to starting the approach.
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We just can't seem to safely land the airplane. :)


I think it will improve once a few of the cowboys retire. I can already see some improvements in the training department.

And getting rid of the OPC will help, too.
 
Unfortunately, we seem to keep having the same kind of incidents, which is actually more concerning than several random unrelated incidents. All of ours are in the approach/landing/go-around phase, with speed control especially a problem for us, apparently.
 
This conversation is dumb.
Air Tran pilots are pros just like us- if you want to dig on them for classics then you have to accept their dog on us going international. Bottom line, for the pros among us (99%) neither are an issue.
If I had a dollar for every time I heard an older legacy pilot say it wasn't safe for a new hire to do anything other than FE for their first year or two....

Cmon now-
 
I have not seen one AT pilot have a problem in the 300.


I am thinking this is turning into an urban myth.
 
I've only had one FAT guy have a problem in the 300. He had problems in the 700 too. Former 737 captain was the most disturbing part. Hardest three day of my career. Everyone else has been GREAT!
 
I've been enjoying flying the antiques.... Err, classics. Havent had to do it in the summer, though.

Btw, haven't flown with a doorknob yet. :D
 
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No it wasn't special E. He is nice enough to make up for where he lacks. This guy was different on several levels.
 
With the rather large vacancy bid about to close, will the Tranny's "capture" most of the left seats or will the Real Southwest FOs sitting on the fence for upgrade take them? More importantly, do you guys think there will be displacements?

Wouldn't that depend on a person's seniority number, preferences and bidding rights? Aren't all SWA pilots under one list and represented by one agent now? I would think they would be filled by pilots on the SWA seniority list, period.
 
Flew with a FAT that almost scared the crap out of me, and not in a bad way. He flew the plane like a 4 digit guy that has been here 40 years. I was the one who got the pucker factor as he made every approach look phenomenal. I don't care where you came from, either you can fly an airplane or you can't. And this FAT guy COULD, and flew the heck out of it. And the ironic thing was, he flew the 717 at AirTran. I would have thought he had decades of 737 experience.
 
Many of those senior in base easily make baseline CA pay. Some actually make more. The only downside to NOT upgrading (no matter where you came from), would be for a Long Term Disability event. In such case, you'd get baseline FO for the rest of your life if you couldn't come back.

This is not accurate. LTD at SWA is not based on seat, it's based on earnings. Capped at 12,500.
 
Flew with a FAT that almost scared the crap out of me, and not in a bad way. He flew the plane like a 4 digit guy that has been here 40 years. I was the one who got the pucker factor as he made every approach look phenomenal. I don't care where you came from, either you can fly an airplane or you can't. And this FAT guy COULD, and flew the heck out of it. And the ironic thing was, he flew the 717 at AirTran. I would have thought he had decades of 737 experience.

Thank you for the kind words about me.... You didn't have to write it here.!!!
 
Flew with a FAT that almost scared the crap out of me, and not in a bad way. He flew the plane like a 4 digit guy that has been here 40 years. I was the one who got the pucker factor as he made every approach look phenomenal. I don't care where you came from, either you can fly an airplane or you can't. And this FAT guy COULD, and flew the heck out of it. And the ironic thing was, he flew the 717 at AirTran. I would have thought he had decades of 737 experience.



So he flew the the way he wanted to and disregarded the AOM/FOM and flew it at clacker ?


Then the icing on the cake, make sexual comments to the flight attendants that only he though was funny . ( The kind that you or I would get fired for, but he is friends with Collen)

I Kidd , I. Kidd. :)
 
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In the latest vacancy award the most junior awarded ATL FO was senior to about 5 ATL Captains. Looks like I'm going to be commuting for quite a while. Wonderful.
 
True. But 'most' FO's won't get the $12,500 with the earnings they make.

Jelly of the Month Club?

Do most guys sign up for a supplement, or is there a pilot funded LTD pool?
 
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