Tranny flush bid

[Hose A. Jiminez]

717 CA
717 FO
737 FO

Has there been any talk out on line on what seniority will take what spots?

 

[shootr]

Gotta tell ya...we're wildly curious, too. We also kind of want to know where the 737's will go and where you guys live. I believe SWAPA knows but they have not told us.

 

[Hose A. Jiminez]

I am we. I have heard that SWAPA has been told of various possible plans. Nothing set in stone.

 

[scoreboardII]

so whats your take?

never mind i thought you were the alpa dude.

 

[wood pecker]

So far every 71 CA I fly with is bidding SW 737 to get the SW ID. The fear is a furlough out of seniority when GK decides to park the 717.

Might be good for 71 FO if this opens up lots of upgrade slots but I am sure there is some type of seat lock to save training costs.

What could SWAPA do to prevent mass exodus from 717? Maybe pay the same as 737 but that water is under bridge and evaoporated. It would be nice also in your future negotiations to help get 717 pay back since we will be part of the culture club by then.

Looking forward to taking the first offer in future negotiations. I think there will be 1700+ yes votes if we get to play by then.

 

[GuppyWN]

The 717 and 737 pay the same if you're WN......... or in 2015.

I was hoping the 717 would go senior since I can't imagine your top dogs commuting to OAK just to be a co pilot.

Gup

 

[Fubijaakr]

So far every 71 CA I fly with is bidding SW 737 to get the SW ID. The fear is a furlough out of seniority when GK decides to park the 717.

I'd say that fear will be realized sooner than later.

 

[ces152]

The top dogs wont have to commute to OAK they will go from senior AT CP to Senior SWA FO at almost the same pay. In 2015 they will bid back to 737 CP when your retirements kick in.

 

[shootr]

But they will bid SWA FO with current vacancy rules...just like a newhire. They can't bump anyone out of a base. They'll have to wait for a vacancy to get into their desired base if it's a static or shrinking one.

 

[ces152]

That is true but out 737 have to go some where and its not going to be ATL.

 

[j41driver]

They have to go somewhere...replacement for -300s and -500s.

 

[XR650R]

I have a hard time believing GK will dump the 717 before their leases are up. Every time I fly a -300 a little voice inside me is going "Oxygen masks/regulators..On/100%...Oxygen masks/regulators..On/100%...Oxygen masks/regulators..On/100%"
Not to be outdone by
"SPINDLE FAILURE
1. Autopilot (if engaged) .......................... Disengage
2. Maintain Control Of The Aircraft With All Available Flight Controls. If Roll Is Uncontrollable, Immediately Reduce Pitch / AOA And Increase Airspeed. Do Not Attempt To Maintain Altitude Until Control Is Recovered.
3. Thrust ...................................... Verify Symmetrical
4. Go-Around ................................ Initiate"

The point is, is that our -300's are very old and have their share of issues. It would be nice not to have all of our eggs in one basket..so to speak.

 

[ATLboeing]

The 717 and 737 pay the same if you're WN......... or in 2015.

I was hoping the 717 would go senior since I can't imagine your top dogs commuting to OAK just to be a co pilot.

Gup

Gup,
I think that's true for original SW guys (If for some reason one ends up on the 71...there's a couple of scenarios, I just can't recall). Maybe that's what you're referring to.
But for us, even as we transition over, for example 73 CA to 71 CA, the current 71 rates would still apply, only adjusted to show TFP instead of an hourly credit. Beginning on Jan 1, 2015 they snap up to 73 rates, if they're still around by then.
From what I've been told, even after the adjusted TFP rate takes over when we make the transition (which is a lower figure), the pilot would still earn more due to the extra goodies in your contract.
I think this is how it works on our side. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong.
See ya on the blue side of the fence.

 

[GuppyWN]

Shootr, if there are AT guys coming over, there HAVE to be vacancies at SW. As soon as an AT guy bids over, he goes where he can hold, and with SW +10-10 vacancies, the AT guy will indeed go from 71 cappy to senior 73 fo at his/her base of choice (if he/she chooses).

 

[Crash Pad]

717 CA
717 FO
737 FO

Has there been any talk out on line on what seniority will take what spots?

What if the 717 never sees SWA paint? Now figure out the bid.

 

[wood pecker]

That was some juicy flight gossip. Why waste paint on a plane that will be gone in a few days months or years.

This is not in any way credible but just speculation after flying all day.

This whole transition bid seems like another good way for an individual to kick himself if he / she chooses based on what if s.

At least acceptance seems more popular

 

[wood pecker]

Quick question. Did SW want to use a plane painted or decaled for the initial ATL party months ago?

Rumor was a 71 was going to be in SW colors but not allowed due to contract language.

Might explain the new rumor / gossip of 71 not getting SW colors to keep us on it. Goes along with the don't say no or else clause.

 

[XR650R]

The nanosecond both groups agree on integration the fate regarding the fate of the 71's will become clear.

 

[SWA Bubba]

I'd say that fear will be realized sooner than later.

Hey, did you guys notice that Fubijaakr chimed in on this thread with a random, anti-SWA wisecrack? No? Nobody noticed? Not the SWA guys OR the Airtran guys? Hmmm... I guess that means that we're all starting to come together, and poor Fubi will soon have no one left to play with (other than OYS, that is).

Until the combined SWA-AAI buys Alaska and makes him our bitch! That'll be our rallying cry: "Staple Fubi! Staple Fubi!"

Uh... just kiddin', Fubi. We wouldn't do that. We don't actually want you. Back to the hate locker with you, and back to the thread at hand for the rest of the folks....

Bubba

 

[vv100]

The entire board now has Fudgepacker on ignore

 

[slaquer5]

Hey, did you guys notice that Fubijaakr chimed in on this thread with a random, anti-SWA wisecrack? No? Nobody noticed? Not the SWA guys OR the Airtran guys? Hmmm... I guess that means that we're all starting to come together, and poor Fubi will soon have no one left to play with (other than OYS, that is).

Until the combined SWA-AAI buys Alaska and makes him our bitch! That'll be our rallying cry: "Staple Fubi! Staple Fubi!"

Uh... just kiddin', Fubi. We wouldn't do that. We don't actually want you. Back to the hate locker with you, and back to the thread at hand for the rest of the folks....

Bubba

No way we could staple the alaska pilots no way we could staff 100 737s overnight





O nevermind yes we could in a New York second.

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[hairball1173]

717's are scheduled for conversion starting jan2013. Seats and paint that's it. 5 days to convert searts and 7 days to paint. To costly to remove carts so FA will be crossed trained. 737-800's will use carts so they are ok with 717 still using carts.

First lease expires 2017 with last 2024. Unless there is a deal with Boeing to take them back sooner but we will never know that till the ink is dry.

Cheers

 

[GuppyWN]

Quick question. Did SW want to use a plane painted or decaled for the initial ATL party months ago?

Rumor was a 71 was going to be in SW colors but not allowed due to contract language.

Might explain the new rumor / gossip of 71 not getting SW colors to keep us on it. Goes along with the don't say no or else clause.

Close. They slapped a big ole One Luv sticker on a 737. THAT was in violation of our contract. A Section 1 grievance was filed and settled immediately.

Sounds silly to bitch about a sticker but once the door is opened.....

Gup

 

[Fubijaakr]

Bubba,

Just pointing out reality. Leaning on the idea that there are long leases on the 717 will keep them on board is unrealistic. We had long term leases on the MD-80s, but management negotiated them away when they became a cost burden.

Sorry, Bub, but pointing out the facts doesn't qualify as "hate" speech.

 

[wood pecker]

Thanks for clearing the decal rumor up. I and probaly most of us enjoy seeing a unified group and a CEO that actually respected your contract. (yet no retaliation for saying no.)

In our world, the plane would have been painted and our union would have said fly it and grieve it with the hopes of getting a resolution in 2 years.

 

[scoreboardII]

In our world he did violate the contract. He placed the sticker knowing full well we'd have to balk, we got part of a van out of it.

 

[SWA Bubba]

Bubba,

Just pointing out reality. Leaning on the idea that there are long leases on the 717 will keep them on board is unrealistic. We had long term leases on the MD-80s, but management negotiated them away when they became a cost burden.

Sorry, Bub, but pointing out the facts doesn't qualify as "hate" speech.

The original comment was someone mentioning people having a fear of being furloughed. You chimed in that that fear would "be realized sooner rather than later." So you weren't JUST pointing out likelihood of keeping 717s through their full leases, were you? you were taking a jab, insinuating furloughs were coming. And while I agree that particular comment doesn't qualify as hate speech (it's more of the "always-being-a-pain-in-the-ass-for-sh&ts-and-giggles" speech that you're famous for), you've got enough hateful barbs in your history to consign you to the hate locker for life. Although perhaps it IS a start in the new and improved, less-hateful Fubi. Stranger things have happened.

Most likely is that if GK does get rid of 717s early, he'll have replacements (most probably more 737s, obviously) for them. He didn't spend all that money buying Airtran to just park the planes, get rid of employees, and not fly the routes. He did it to grow the company and make more money. Remember? Southwest actually makes money every year. That may be a concept alien to your company. He still has all the new cities and routes to service (although obviously, there'll be optimization to turn Airtran structure into Southwest structure). Unless something really radical and bad happens on a national level, no one will get furloughed. Pretty much standard Southwest operations, chugging along.

The real surprise is I seem to be the only one left to engage you. Everyone else ignored your comments and kept with the point on the thread. Wow. Look how far we've come in our relationship, Fubi...

Bubba

 

[Fubijaakr]

Of course he won't just park 'em. But you have to admit one of the big reasons he bought AAI in the first place was the Boeing order book.

I wasn't really referring to furloughs, just the fact that the 717s could be deleted sooner than some AAI pilots think.

 

[PCL_128]

A lot of senior captains are talking of bidding 737 FO. They have different reasons. Some are doing it for fear of furloughs taking place on the AirTran side of the partition, so they want to be on the SWA side as early as possible. Others are doing it to be closer to home, since the 717s will only be based in ATL and probably TPA or MCO. I've even heard a few guys in the top 10% saying that they're bidding 737 FO. I wouldn't be shocked to see 100 of our senior FOs get upgrade slots out of this.

 

[Fly-By-Cable]

Thanks for clearing the decal rumor up. I and probaly most of us enjoy seeing a unified group and a CEO that actually respected your contract. (yet no retaliation for saying no.)

In our world, the plane would have been painted and our union would have said fly it and grieve it with the hopes of getting a resolution in 2 years.

Hey, retard... stop gulping with happiness. That CEO just violated a contract called Process Agreement that he signed when he promised not to integrate your a$$.