Tranfer of Eagle Aircraft

[laxembfo]

Tranfer of Aircraft

Below is the registered aircraft information about Aircraft 600BK. 600BK(also know as 600 Burger King) was Eagle first Jet and is being tranfered to Trans States. The new Pending number is 813HK. If you look at who owes this Aircraft , it's American Eagle and Not Trans States. This clearly shows who owes this aircraft and with that American Eagle Pilots should be crewing it, according to the American Eagle Contract.


N600BK is Assigned

Assigned/Registered Aircraft Aircraft Description

Serial Number 145044 Type Registration Corporation
Manufacturer Name EMBRAER Certificate Issue Date 05/11/1998
Model EMB-145LR Status Valid
Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Multi-Engine Type Engine Turbo-Jet
Pending Number Change N813HK Dealer No
Date Change Authorized 10/16/2002 Mode S Code 51743542
MFR Year 1998 Fractional Owner NO

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Registered Owner

Name AMERICAN EAGLE AIRLINES INC
Street 4333 AMON CARTER BLVD MD 5494
City FORT WORTH State TEXAS Zip Code 76155
County TARRANT
Country UNITED STATES

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Airworthiness

Engine Manufacturer ALLISON Classification Standard
Engine Model AE3007C Category Transport

A/W Date 03/06/1999

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Other Owner Names


None

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Temporary Certificate

None

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Fuel Modifications

None

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Honor the contract

 

[ShawnC]

How long ago was the transfer, sometimes it can take up to six months for the database to be properly updated.

 

[laxembfo]

Date

look at the Date Change


Date Change Authorized 10/16/2002 Mode S Code 51743542

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

AE Air craft to TSA is no secret

I am a TWA LLC (American pilot) about to furloughed 11-1. I flew for AE ( Executive in SJU) and currently fly the MD80 aout of STL.

I have seen a number of AE aircraft operating out of STL by TSA. The logo (operator name) has been changed, but you can tell it was an AE ship.

AA is flying a lot of TWA former routes with AA aircraft and Laying over AA crews in STL to fly the former TWA 767 international. This wastes a lot of money that could be used more wisely by the company.

The AE aircraft to TSA is an issue that needs attention, as per the scope clauses theat AMR is trying to get around.

It will be an interesting time, these next few years as we all try to preserve what little is left in our repective rice bowls.

 

[throttlejockey]

As an amateur aviation observer, and in my opinion what has occured under the AMR umbrella can be be described as pathetic. Those under the TWA banner have taken the biggest hit.

The movement (transfer/sale - I will not take sides) is an attempted by AMR to match demand with supply. But unfortunately, it will not be sustainable.

Although narrowbodies have higher segment costs than RJ's, Narrowbodies still have better CASM, and thus provide better margin between revenues and costs. It is extremely short sighted for AMR (or the rest of the dodo birds) to emphasize RJ's at the expense of mainline in a low cost enviroment.

Mainline provides the lower CASM option for serving the high traffic markets, while RJ's struggle to break-even on the same routes. (You need a much higher load factor on an RJ to break even, when compared to a narrowbody aircraft.)

The advance of RJ's in its current form will only be sustained as long as the "fee for departure" (cost plus) program continues.
When mainline wake's up to the fact that they are losing money on subsidizing RJ's operations the gig will be up. If RJ's were operated on a pro-rate basis (like turbo-props are now) I will guarantee you that the RJ operators will start to bleed profusely.

No start-up airline has ever been successful using an RJ. Jetblue, Frontier, and AirTran use Narrowbodies since they have the CASM to compete. Midway tried to use RJ's on mainline routes and lost an incredible amount of money.

RJ's cannot substitute for larger aircraft in larger markets. In addition, RJ's cannot substitute profitably against turbo-props on small markets either.

The only reason RJ's are in a positon of strength right now, is that they are being subsidized by the majors. If an RJ operator had to assume the risk of filling their own seats, I assure you that many RJ's would be lined up in the deserts of Californa and Arizona.

Those of you with some understanding of aircraft operating economics will understand what I am talking about.

throttlejockey

 

[mckpickle]

This is CRAP and I think The ones who should stand up are the TSA and CHQ guys. Oh wait they're not ALPA.......so I guess they wont be. Good luck eagle, Please dont let this happen, it sets a nasty precedent.

 

[flyby]

TSA

TSA is ALPA, CHQ is not.

 

[TSA ERJ]

Jeff,
TSA does not fly any aircraft that were once a part of American Eagle. The turboprops you see in STL are all former TWE or US Airways Express airplanes operated by TSA. Like wise, the EMB-140's currently being flown by Chautauqua were never part of the AE fleet.

We all understand and appreciate your concerns about the sale of the 145's and the way in which the current code share was organized. We (the pilots of TSA) would rather not be placed in this situation but unfortunately we have less control over this than AA or Eagle.

 

[Jeff Helgeson]

TSA ERJ

Thank you for your professional response. I was only making the point that we all suffer in this ecomony and some company decisions hurt some more than others.

I do believe some AE aircraft are being moved to TSA, but that is not for any of us (pilots) to decide, and we pilots are not to blame for what and how management runs our repective airlines. AMR is trying to jocky RJs around to contract Eagles and is considering selling off my former "Crandall Sky Youth" carrier - Executive. This is to reduce turbo props, add more RJs and get around the scope clause, as Eagle is at it's max contractual number.

I flew at AE when there were 4 seperate companies (Wings West, Simmons, Flagship, and Executive) AMR had all 4 overlap bases and would shrink one Eagle and build up another to put the pilot group at odds against each other. Divide and conquer, it's the AMR way. All that to commute, work 19 days a month and make under $16K.

I saw a number of eagle guys bounce around from one eagle to another, loosing their seniority, at that time to keep their job. I was 3 out of 53 in the SD3-60 out of SJU and was looking a Captain in 1-2 years. I fell back to 9 out of 26. Then AMR closed our MIA base and said 70-90 furloughs were on the way unless you wanted to go to Simmons, start at the bottom and go back on probation. About 6 of our guys were fired due to past grievances, etc. The point being that a lot of the various Eagle pilots were pissed at the line pilots at the other Eagles, when none of these decisions were the pilots to make.

I have read some hostil posts from some AE guys towards the TWE carrier pilots, as if you guys are sneaking off to DFW in the middle of the night to steal AMR RJs!.

I wa on the Budjet van to my cummeter pad in STL with CHQ F/A. Hetold me about his early report and long day. Every city he had flown to, I used to fly the DC9 or MD80. Some main line folks would say the RJs aer taking all the jobs, Blah, Blah Blah.

We all want to fly for living and retire with a sh@t load of $$$$, without stepping on our fellow line airline employees some where else. But it is management that decides that not your fellow pilots!

Check essential, whatch your six , and clear right. It will be a very long time before I will be able to say clear left!

Jeff

 

[TSA Pilot]

Tranfer of Aircraft

N600BK is Assigned

Assigned/Registered Aircraft Aircraft Description

Serial Number 145044 Type Registration Corporation
Manufacturer Name EMBRAER Certificate Issue Date 05/11/1998
Model EMB-145LR Status Valid
Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Multi-Engine Type Engine Turbo-Jet
Pending Number Change N813HK Dealer No
Date Change Authorized 10/16/2002 Mode S Code 51743542
MFR Year 1998 Fractional Owner NO

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The KEY word is PENDING so give it a couple weeks and see if the registered owner doesnt change my bet is that it will. I mean if im not mistaken you guys are still flying it on line as 600BK so that cant change ownership and tail numbers until it comes in our posession otherwise you guys would be flying a Trans States Plane right now. Its a sale. Can we get past this please.

TSA Pilot

 

[laxembfo]

last flight

600BK last flight was on Oct 16 to CMH

American Eagle stills own the A/C

Registered Owner

Name AMERICAN EAGLE AIRLINES INC
Street 4333 AMON CARTER BLVD MD 5494
City FORT WORTH State TEXAS Zip Code 76155
County TARRANT
Country UNITED STATES

 

[CatYaaak]

As an amateur aviation observer, and in my opinion what has occured under the AMR umbrella can be be described as pathetic. Those under the TWA banner have taken the biggest hit.

The movement (transfer/sale - I will not take sides) is an attempted by AMR to match demand with supply. But unfortunately, it will not be sustainable.

Although narrowbodies have higher segment costs than RJ's, Narrowbodies still have better CASM, and thus provide better margin between revenues and costs. It is extremely short sighted for AMR (or the rest of the dodo birds) to emphasize RJ's at the expense of mainline in a low cost enviroment.

Mainline provides the lower CASM option for serving the high traffic markets, while RJ's struggle to break-even on the same routes. (You need a much higher load factor on an RJ to break even, when compared to a narrowbody aircraft.)

The advance of RJ's in its current form will only be sustained as long as the "fee for departure" (cost plus) program continues.
When mainline wake's up to the fact that they are losing money on subsidizing RJ's operations the gig will be up. If RJ's were operated on a pro-rate basis (like turbo-props are now) I will guarantee you that the RJ operators will start to bleed profusely.

No start-up airline has ever been successful using an RJ. Jetblue, Frontier, and AirTran use Narrowbodies since they have the CASM to compete. Midway tried to use RJ's on mainline routes and lost an incredible amount of money.

RJ's cannot substitute for larger aircraft in larger markets. In addition, RJ's cannot substitute profitably against turbo-props on small markets either.

The only reason RJ's are in a positon of strength right now, is that they are being subsidized by the majors. If an RJ operator had to assume the risk of filling their own seats, I assure you that many RJ's would be lined up in the deserts of Californa and Arizona.

Those of you with some understanding of aircraft operating economics will understand what I am talking about.

throttlejockey

 

[eaglefly]

Sadly, TSA pilot is in denial.

 

[Snoop]

TSA guy is in denial????

Like hell he is.... Get over it. If our planes went to you guys, I am sure that you fellas wouldn't send them back with a "Ohhh, that's not fair.. These are yours" sticker on them. We are ALL affected by this, so why do we need twits keeping the animosity flowing freely? Get over, get along or get off the ride known as the "Regional Pilot Rollercoaster"!!!!
May we ALL fly safe and have jobs...

 

[laxembfo]

What it really comes down too

If you care about your employees and have morals then Do The Right Thing. All flying will be done by pilots on one list, be it American, Delta, etc. stop the whipsawing and outsourcing.


All CEO say "We can't make any money with One pilot group,well they can't make any money the way they are doing things. How about a new approach. Here is a new one let's outsource MANGT.

 

[jetexas]

The proper thing to do would be to merge AX and AE, however then you open a can of works with APA's scope..as if 'reverse code share' isn't? So what then? Merge AA and AE and then grow AX more? Merge AA and AX to AA? Something needs to happen.

 

[laxembfo]

Do the Right Thing not Stupid Thing

Hey Right ?

Merge AE and AX? how about Merge AE and AA and then AA Get's all of the flying and AX goes away.

 

[eaglefly]

I know of 17,000 pilots who could live with that !

... a 900 hour Turbojet pilot declares that we should all "get over it".

... so he can move right on up the ladder at our expense.

Pack Sand, Kid.

 

[FEDUPPILOT]

PACK ALOT OF SAND!!! geeeeez.... The nerve of some people! You go eaglfy! The day will come when AX goes AWAY! Trust me! It will happend! The free ride wont last forever!! What comes around goes around!

 

[Snoop]

Sorry, fellas,

Yep, 900 hours, and yep, GET THE HELL OVER IT.
I keep forgetting how this bitterness gets in your eyes. Let's not forget, topspeed, if this was reversed, I am **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** sure that you fellas would sit down, shut up and do your friggin' job, just like we are. And I will move up the ladder like everyone else, and I hope like hell I don't see ignorant asses like fedup and eglfly on the same ladder. Why is it we can't just do our jobs, us and you, and respect the FACT we don't make the rules, we just work there. I hope we ALL fly safe and have jobs..