Training question ppl, ir, comm

[meyers9163]

So I started my PPL this week at a part 61 place. However I am already looking for information on what to do next and what route to go. Eventually I want to do something with aviation but right now just enjoying it. I know if you going part 141 for the IR you need the 35 hours and the 50xc for part 61 does not apply, is this correct? How about then the comm ratings. What are the requirements for a part 141 for a comm rating (multi, single add on)? I was reading the part 61 requires 250 hours but I was not sure how people do this. I cant find part 141 requirements for the comm rating so help would be great. Eventualy I want to instruct but going through an FBO I want to find a cheap way of getting ratings (cheaper) and not going to a "flight school". Any ways thank you for all your help in advance.

 

[minitour]

The first place I'd start is Part 141 in the FAR/AIM.

Appendix D (I believe) is Cmmercial Pilot training.

The best way to get an idea is call the 141 training center. Their syllabus is the approved course you have to do. Part 141 mins, etc apply...but the syllabus is the FAA Approved training program. The hours could be more or less.

For example, we had a "short" Commercial training program at Airman. You could have had CSEL-IA at 170 hours (I believe) using their syllabi for PPL/Inst/CSEL. If you look under Part 141 and add up the hours it's 190...so that shows you how much the individual training program can determine everything.

IMHO...if I had it to do again, I would have done it Pt 61 at a ma' n' pa' place.

-mini

 

[gkrangers]

Can't beat Part 61 imo...yeah, its more time, but you'll enjoy it so much more...

The best part of my "training" was the ~150 hours of XC time I've built, flying all over. You won't really get that with a 141 syllabus.

 

[SBD]

Run and I mean run to part 61.

"Dang I should have went to dental school!"

 

[aerobaticspilot]

No you wanna go to the part 141 direction dont listen to the last post. 141 is watched by the faa so you know your get the training you are required to have to optain to license. Part 61 training is based on what the instructor believes you need to recieve. They way i look at is you will learn more in a 141 school and waste more money in a 61 building flight time for your instructor. I have instructed in both types of schools and the better pilots come out of the 141 schools. Dont waste your time or money flying at a part 61 school.

 

[troy]

No you wanna go to the part 141 direction dont listen to the last post. 141 is watched by the faa so you know your get the training you are required to have to optain to license. Part 61 training is based on what the instructor believes you need to recieve. They way i look at is you will learn more in a 141 school and waste more money in a 61 building flight time for your instructor. I have instructed in both types of schools and the better pilots come out of the 141 schools. Dont waste your time or money flying at a part 61 school.

B.S.!!! Check out 61.107 and read to me exactally what is required to be given as areas of operation.

Nothing wrong with a 61 operation. The checkrides are the same. No reasonable instructor will set you up for failure.

 

[minitour]

I have instructed in both types of schools and the better pilots come out of the 141 schools.

That statement is 50% false for sure. You may have instructed 141 and 61, but 141 does not mean better pilots.

I saw some real slackers get through Pt 141 and I've also seen some really good sticks go through 61.

I agree with gk...the thing I wish I woulda done is my xc time building part 61. Lots of real world IFR in the system going in and out of busy, medium and slow airports shooting approaches single pilot...much more beneficial than OUN-SWO every day to build 50 hours in a 152.

-mini

 

[MFRskyknight]

No you wanna go to the part 141 direction dont listen to the last post. 141 is watched by the faa so you know your get the training you are required to have to optain to license. Part 61 training is based on what the instructor believes you need to recieve. They way i look at is you will learn more in a 141 school and waste more money in a 61 building flight time for your instructor. I have instructed in both types of schools and the better pilots come out of the 141 schools. Dont waste your time or money flying at a part 61 school.

That is the biggest crock of pure sh*t I've seen in awhile. I am building time, albeit more slowly, at a great part 61 operation in Southern Oregon. "Timebuilding" on paper doesn't look that fun, until you get out there in the airplane and realize that your only requirement is to fly somewhere 50+ nm away. You think there's a little room for having a good time there? You bet.

Also, to imply that part 61 is not watched by the FAA is like saying your parents teaching you how to drive vs. going to a driving class is not regulated by the DMV. Your state still provides a list of requirements for taking the practical test, doesn't it? And they're not going to issue you a license if the quality of your training, whoever you received it from, isn't up to their standards.

You get the drift.

MFR

 

[meyers9163]

So part 61 must have 50xc before you do the IR where part 141 isnt the case? 141 just need the ppl (pre req) and your 35 hours (min) IR training?

Commercial, i know 61 you have to have 250 TT and your IR or working on it. What is the difference between that and the part 141?

Cost is what i'm worried about. I'd love to fly more and do it the 61 route but I cannot afford to pay for the time building and was thinking I can do the structure and save money going 141. Any ways if i can get help on that it'd be great.

 

[gkrangers]

190TT Commercial, Part 141. Could be less tho, in certain programs. It can be difficult to find a Part 141 school if you are limited to a small, local airport with a small flight school.