Training Contracts

marqmarq

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Can anyone offer advice or recommend a good aviation attorney to deal with a company trying to collect on a training contract? I'd appreciate any info.
 

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A good aviation attorney isn't what you need. Any contract lawer will do.

If you signed on the dotted line and skipped out.. good luck.
 

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Ditto...an aviation attorney will do you little good. Try to find an employment lawyer in the state in which the contract was signed. Better yet, hire an individual who has access to an aviation specialist in the same law firm.

Which state are you in?
 

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Hey, here's a novel Idea:

Honor the contract you signed and pay them the money you owe them.


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Training Contract ?

Many of these so called training contracts are not worth the paper their written on. For the most part it would cost the company that had you sign the stupid thing to begin with, more money to take you to court than what its worth. Also, you may want to find out if the company you work for paid for your training and not the customer. Just the same you may want to contact an attorney for advise.
 

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Whatever you do just do not ignor it. Most states have pretty high dolloar amount small claims courts. Your enployer could pull out your contract after you left (giving him no forwarding address) and by doing a good faith effort at notifying you, which maybe just publishing the notice of the small claims action in the local paper, get a small claims judgement against you by default because you failed to show. Next thing you know he pays $10.00 and files the judgement in district court and now you have a judgment against you that will show up on the credit reporting agencies. So much for getting another bank loan with out clearing it up. If it gets that far I am sure it will cost you more in attorney fees to fight it than to pay it off. Cheers.

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Be very careful, all your employer has to do is turn it over to collections. Collections will go after you and will really screw up your credit record. I would try to be a man of my word and do what I had agreed to. Rember if you talk to an attorney it will cost you $300/hr for them to defend you and that can add up real quck.
 

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Thanks!

I appreciate the different input, much of it is very useful. I am very greatful. For those who question my integrity or manhood, all I can say is that 1. you are unaware of the particulars of this situation 2. you are showing your immaturity and 3. you are demonstrating your naivety about this industry, and 4. I wonder if you bought your job? Thanks again to everyone else....
 

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I'm sorry some of the people hit a nerve here.

You are correct, I have no idea about the particulars of your case. I don't think anyone is showing immaturity here, except maybe you. No one is naive about this industry. We understand what goes on.. the good and the bad. No, I didn't buy my job. I did sign a 1 year contract as an FO which I served completely, and a 6 month contract when I upgraded.

The fact of the matter is that you signed a contract and now you want out of it. Would you let the company get away with violating their end of the contract? I don't think so... Why should it be any different on the other end?
 

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marqmarq,




>>>>>For those who question my integrity or manhood,

Manhood? Who said anything about manhood? Certainly not me, nor chprplt. Frankly, I have no interest in thinking about your manhood. If you have insecurities about your manhood, I would recommend you keep it to yourself and not interject them into unrelated internet discussions. Perhaps some professional counseling will help ease your insecurities.


>>>>1. you are unaware of the particulars of this situation.


OK, what are the particulars? Did the company fail to provide the training you contracted for, or in some other way breach the contract? Or did working for them become not so much fun anymore and you found a better job? If the particulars constitute a breach of the contract on their part, let's hear them.


>>>>2. you are showing your immaturity

Have you been talking to my girlfriend? SHe says the same thing....


>>>>>3. you are demonstrating your naivety about this industry.


No, I am neither naive about this industry nor human nature in general. I am fully aware that integrity deficiencies exist everywhere, both in employees and employers.



>>>>4. I wonder if you bought your job?

Huhhhh???????? Where did that come from? Just for the record, I have never bought a job, not that it is relevant to the discussion. It seems you are just hurling baseless and unrelated insults to try to divert attention from the issues.....who's immature now?


The thing is, this question comes up pretty often on these forums. People want out of thier training contracts, not because the company didn't fulfil their obligations, but because.... well.... they got a better job, and they don't want to pay. Sometimes pilots even ask for advice on getting out of the contract, BEFORE they sign it, indicating that they have no intention of honoring it if something better comes along.
You're right, we don't know your particulars ....so let's hear them....without the childish and irrelevant speculation about who purchased a job.



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chperplt

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This guy just sent me a nasty PM. He doesn't want to hear any opinions that don't equal his. He told me I was living at home watching star trek and getting off to pictures of Brittany Spears..

He says his DO told him not to worry about the contract, but now a collection agency is calling him.

Time for people to grow up and live up to their responsibilities.
 

marqmarq

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Sarcasm

I just sent this guy a sarcastic email... and it went over his head...
 

chperplt

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Yea... Ok

What you call sarcastic, normal people call childish.
 

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>>>>>He told me I was living at home watching star trek and getting off to pictures of Brittany Spears..

geez, marqmarq...and this from a guy who is accusing others of immaturity? I take it irony isn't your strong suit. How about skipping the childish PMs and telling us the "particulars" that justify your breaching of the contract you signed?

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chperplt said:
He told me I was living at home watching Star Trek and getting off to pictures of Brittany Spears...
Man, does this guy know airline pilots! (Oops, gotta go. There's a Star Trek marathon on....)
 

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Couldn't resist.

Don't recall anyone questioning your manhood until you brought it up. For all we knew, you might have not been of the manly persuasion - for that matter, I still don't think you are.

You tell us that skipping out on a legal obligation that you willingly agreed to (you did sign on the line, didn't you) is ok since there are particulars of the situation that warrant it. If so, and you don't like getting pinged; justify yourself - don't just whine when others call you on it.

Looking at the thread, A Squared and Chairman were the only people who said you should do the right thing prior to your second post. Therefore, you probably should have directed your comments to them directly rather than slamming everyone else who looked at your thread and simply thought "weasel" and didn't bother to post it.

You think it is a crime for us to question your integrity. Buddy, I don't belive you can question something that doesn't appear to exist.

If there is a real reason the contract shouldn't be enforced, then by all means, post it. Otherwise, grow up. Sarcasm is not your strong suit.

Regards.
 

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First of all what kind of money are we talking about? Consult a lawyer but I imagine it would work like any other debt. If you really have some undeniable hardship you may be given a grace period or allowed to send 30 bucks a month and maintain your credit/
 
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