Training Agreement for Contract Pilot

[cynic]

Honor your word, stop sending emails. Explain you enjoy working there and are not planning to bail. Do NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT sign anything. That would be an exceedingly stupid idea.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

stop sending emails....

THIS.

Email is not where you want to try and settle things. Its perceived as cowardly and is often misunderstood.

 

[VA AV8R]

I agree with the email thing. At my last job, which I had for eight years, the boss would never pick up the phone. Even if you were in trouble - you'd get a text message. Basically dealing with the same thing here - if I want to actually talk outside of a flight I have to call or my phone will never ring.

Now despite this I'll say that he's always been a really good guy and we've always had a great relationship. I think there's a lot of pressure now that he is answering to an owner directly vs. just being a line pilot and, as his mentor at our last company I try to be supportive. I truly hope we get past this, but I'd be $%&! to turn down the chance to get another type rating.

 

[landlover]

One positive note about emails is that you will not have to play a game of "he said she said". In a situation where a verbal agreement is trying to be thrown out, i'd want a record of the dialog.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

One positive note about emails is that you will not have to play a game of "he said she said". In a situation where a verbal agreement is trying to be thrown out, i'd want a record of the dialog.

But then you're acting like a lawyer, not a human being....and the chances of coming to an amicable agreement are slim to none.

This type of thing will have a much better chance of working out for all involved over friends having dinner and a few beers....(says me)

If one is to at the point of relaying speak from their lawyer in tit for tat emails....its going/gone downhill fast.

BTW - I dont understand the entire situation, of course, but just adding a type rating really does not do as much for a pilot as some people think. The picture is much bigger. Good jobs dont hire based on a rating, and if you dont have decent time in type as a PIC nobody cares anyhow. Dont chase ratings, this does not lead to good jobs (from what I have seen)

Good Luck!

 

[VA AV8R]

BTW - I dont understand the entire situation, of course, but just adding a type rating really does not do as much for a pilot as some people think. The picture is much bigger. Good jobs dont hire based on a rating, and if you dont have decent time in type as a PIC nobody cares anyhow. Dont chase ratings, this does not lead to good jobs (from what I have seen)

This, I do not agree with based on my experiences. Chasing type ratings alone, yes – I concede that a type in and of itself isn't all that useful. I picked up a handful of them early on, then worked at a company with all turboprops for years. When it came time to move on, the lack of a recent type rating was detrimental. All I heard was, "are you current and typed" to the point where I wanted to have a T-Shirt made up. Granted, they were all 135 operators and I've learned the hard way to try and avoid them (as you said: "Good jobs"). The type I am about the get is for an aircraft that I have been flying part-time as SIC for over a year now. I hope to expand the amount of work I can do with the type under my belt, so that, if in another ten months the current situation doesn't go full time I've got another credential with some experience to fall back on. Having the type makes it easier to get the contract work to being with.

I've made it clear that I don't want anything more at this point than a face to face dinner or meeting to talk everything out, and I just have to see how it plays out.

 

[Nolife]

Do not sign a retro-active contract. If they made a good faith gesture to you and you to them that should suffice. If they decide to change the terms that's their problem. Signing the contract sets you up for grief down the road should things sour.

They have already lost their trust in you, perhaps not your friend but the owner/principals have and that's why they demand this retro-active contract. At this point your relationship has changed and I'd bet it's unlikely you'll be considered for long term employment. Be nice and reassuring however I'd start looking in another direction.

BTW... most people lose contract disputes due to lack of funds. Companies have money, individual pilots do not. Can you afford a three year drawn out legal nighmare to get out of a contract?

 

[gern_blanston]

Do not sign a retro-active contract...

...They have already lost their trust in you... Be nice and reassuring however I'd start looking in another direction.

What he said.^^^

 

[VA AV8R]

Do not sign a retro-active contract. If they made a good faith gesture to you and you to them that should suffice. If they decide to change the terms that's their problem. Signing the contract sets you up for grief down the road should things sour.

They have already lost their trust in you, perhaps not your friend but the owner/principals have and that's why they demand this retro-active contract. At this point your relationship has changed and I'd bet it's unlikely you'll be considered for long term employment. Be nice and reassuring however I'd start looking in another direction.

Well... Call me naive but I believe that it is possible to have a disagreement in principle without long term negative consequences so long as everyone acts like a grownup, which, I think will be the case here. Besides, I'm not backing out of my end of the bargain; my word is my bond as they say.

 

[caseyd]

THIS.

Email is not where you want to try and settle things. Its perceived as cowardly and is often misunderstood.

Thats the best advise you have received thus far.....