Tough Worded PR from AirTran over SWA ATA Bid

[FLYNAKD]

Now this is the way to reply to a post. I could tell this guy had class simply by his user name. They always told me the Tristar was a "gentlemans airplane". Rock on bro.

 

[Ty Webb]

I agree with all of this, but there is one thing the AAI pilot group could have done to change everything: Make a simple statement to the effect that they would hope that AAI management would find a way to accomodate the pilots at ATA in a way which would protect both ATA & AAI pilots.

I think what you are saying makes sense. Our union is going through an election right now, also a ratification of a new Constitution and Bylaws, while ramping up for our contract negotiations. I suspect that with everything our small union has on their plate, it slipped through the cracks.

I wonder if anyone from the ATA pilots' union had made contact with ours? Perhaps a little nudge would have been the only reminder the NPA needed, but I can't say for sure.

In any event, sorry that didn't happen.

 

[CaptSeth]

it slipped through the cracks. In any event, sorry that didn't happen.

Disingenuous B.S. The AWA pilots are ALPA pilots in good standing, and are committed to their place in the industry. They are not VALUJET clowns. Of course, the bottom half of Airtran are mostly ok. The top half I have on a list in my flight bag. Too bad you didn't get in with that group, Ty, that would really have put you with your ilk.

 

[Ty Webb]

Seth, thanks for continuing to make a case against integrating the lists. None of us deserves to share a cockpit with an idiot like yourself.

PS, out of the 1,000 pilots on our seniority list, perhaps 50-70 are on the "the list". So, from the other 93% of us- "Kiss my @ss".

 

[fletch717]

seth,


ty is correct, there are only a small number of eastern left. We are sorry for your situation but you need to stop attacking AirTran. The Valuejet comment was uncalled for. You are now facing what eastern pilots faced 15 years ago, since your are ALPA I am sure they are promising you a job at another alpa carrier with senority just like they promised all eastern pilots. for the record I did'nt have my private until 92. And if you are sill carrying around that list I am sure you have denied your jump seat to some of your own pilots too. congratulations seth you are truly a class act and a model of professionalism.

Fletch

 

[Steeler Fan]

Disingenuous B.S. The AWA pilots are ALPA pilots in good standing, and are committed to their place in the industry. They are not VALUJET clowns. Of course, the bottom half of Airtran are mostly ok.

I think the VAST majority of pilots are committed to their place in the industry...or they're paying their dues trying to get to a job that they can keep for awhile. Speaking of VALUJET clowns, I know of 1 Captain who actually does have a clown nose in his flight kit--He happens to be one of the best Captains I know at AirTran--And one of the Best pilots I've flown with in 15+ years of doing this (including US Airways and US Air Force). Personnally, I think you're painting with a broad brush here...Every company has pilots that do things that leave a black-eye on everyone else (Insert drunk pilot of Airline ___ Here). I'm not going there...I've been very impressed with ATA pilots, and I hope it works out for them.

 

[Ty Webb]

Every company has pilots that do things that leave a black-eye on everyone else (Insert Captain Seth ______ here)

Amen!

 

[Flying Freddie]

99% of the guys I flew with at AirTran were great guys/gals. There was ole Cap'n Dave "the Lawyer" . He was a pip!

 

[Tristar]

I wonder if anyone from the ATA pilots' union had made contact with ours? Perhaps a little nudge would have been the only reminder the NPA needed, but I can't say for sure.

I know our MEC Chairman has spoken with his counterpart (I don't recall your union leaders title) at AirTran. I do not know the substance of that discussion, but it occurred a few weeks ago. The word from our MEC is they are trying to arrange preferential _hiring_ (not just interviews) with a number of other carriers. I hope that AirTran is one of those, and I hope they find success on a number of fronts.

Those of you from AirTran (or any other carrier), I personally (as well as many of the other professionals here I'm certain) would be most grateful if you saw fit to encourage your union reps to support such a program for those of us soon to hit the streets. In particular this could benefit AirTran (if it happened very quickly), since the auction process is about to begin - as I understand it, the parties who have submitted bids now have the opportunity to improve those bids to improve their chances of success in the auction.

 

[Ty Webb]

99% of the guys I flew with at AirTran were great guys/gals. There was ole Cap'n Dave "the Lawyer" . He was a pip!

Heh-heh. Can you say "personal no-fly zone"?. Thankfully, I only had two names on mine.

 

[freightdogfred]

Disingenuous B.S. The AWA pilots are ALPA pilots in good standing, and are committed to their place in the industry. They are not VALUJET clowns. Of course, the bottom half of Airtran are mostly ok. The top half I have on a list in my flight bag. Too bad you didn't get in with that group, Ty, that would really have put you with your ilk.

Funny you should mention this....While disparaging the Airtran pilot group and lamenting your woes, where is the mighty Capt D Woerth-less and his band of merry men? You and others have mentioned how silent the NPA (Airtran's pilot union) has been during all this. Well, what about ALPA, the union YOU pay dues to? Have they petioned the NPA to help your cause, to secure you interviews with ANY carrier? Or did they send literature on how to apply for food stamps and unemployment, like they did with me back at Brand X airlines....

Don't blame your troubles on Airtran or their union because you haven't been offered pref interviews, or been "merged".... If ya got any sense you'll wake up and smell the coffee.

 

[Boeingman]

Disingenuous B.S. The AWA pilots are ALPA pilots in good standing, and are committed to their place in the industry. They are not VALUJET clowns. Of course, the bottom half of Airtran are mostly ok. The top half I have on a list in my flight bag. Too bad you didn't get in with that group, Ty, that would really have put you with your ilk.

Another list carrier. Yes, Seth, that list and your attitude are going to take you real far when ATA tanks.

Better get the Vaseline out there Seth, because when you find out just how much ALPA is going to stand up for you, you'll understand why there are so many former ALPA pilots on that list. That was a real hard lesson I learned after my exposure to 25 months listening to ALPA rehtoric in 83.

I wouldn't burn to many bridges either. I don't think there are a lot of ATA Captains named Seth out there. My guess, your post has already made it to the hands of their Flt. Ops. management.

 

[Dodge]

Go AirTran!!! I am just happy that Mesaba was able to finance AirTran. Use the money well.