Tonight: airline executives sky-high compensation on PBS

[VADriver]

Bill Moyers' Journal
Friday, June 8, 900pm CHANNEL 26 (WETA TV 26)
An examination of why airline executives receive sky-high compensation despite the cuts in pay and benefits their workforces have endured in recent years. Also: reporter Christian Parenti, who recently returned from Afghanistan.

 

[big_al]

Thank God Real Journalists are still around... its unfortunate that people are glued to the CNNs and Fox News'

 

[macdu]

Your kidding, right?

 

[CitationLover]

really didn't say much. it came across as whiney workers jealous of executive comp plans.

can we get news stories about the real problems? they should have focused on how the pilots work 50% more with 50% less (instead of one sentence) and how this affects SAFETY. how about an antiquated bargaining process that wasn't even designed for this industry?

 

[Cobra]

really didn't say much. it came across as whiney workers jealous of executive comp plans.

can we get news stories about the real problems? they should have focused on how the pilots work 50% more with 50% less (instead of one sentence) and how this affects SAFETY. how about an antiquated bargaining process that wasn't even designed for this industry?

You think the government has some desire to change labor bargaining practices? They and the real oligarchy that runs this country have us just where they want us.

 

[CitationLover]

You think the government has some desire to change labor bargaining practices? They and the real oligarchy that runs this country have us just where they want us.

agree 100%. the govt has no desire, but it is a problem forcing our hand today. RLA reform should be at the top of everyone's list.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Sorry about the re-post, but for those of you who might have missed it, this Frontline went into a lot of detail about the UAL bankruptcy and the amounts taken from the Company by senior Executives, and their legions of Attorneys & Consultants.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/retirement/view/

 

[Sawmill]

Ummm, correct me if im wrong but if you are a pilot and want to make more money, quit being a pilot and go work for management...or somewhere else that pays higher. And if you are management, and want to make less money, but have more freedom from behind the desk, then quit and go be a pilot, or some other job that pays less.
But what do I know, I only lasted as a low-life regional pilot for 6 months before I quit the circus and decided to make more money then most mainline pilots. (Oh, and I spend about 4 hours a week behind a desk)
Its just my .02 that everyone needs to take responsibility for themselves...unless you are incapable...but then again, its easier to btich.

 

[deemee boosgkee]

But what do I know, I only lasted as a low-life regional pilot for 6 months before I quit the circus and decided to make more money then most mainline pilots. (Oh, and I spend about 4 hours a week behind a desk)

What do you do? That sounds like good pay and QOL to go along with it!

 

[AA717driver]

Sawmill--Great that you got out and got something better. Most of us here WANT to fly (not want to AVOID flying like managment) AND we want to improve our working conditions.

I don't believe it's an "either/or" situation. TC

 

[G100driver]

Sawmill, what do you say to a guy who is 55 years with a mortage and a couple of kids in highschool? Go start a pressure washing business and be your own boss?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Sawmill:

I think the reason for pilots' concerns are that they have everything tied up in seniority and longevity. Pilots dream of retiring from their jobs.

Some managers recently have taken a much shorter term view. It mantra seems to be "get in, get yours and get out" before it collapses. Smash and grab management does rob employees of the sweat equity they have in their professions.

Of the legacy carriers, Delta's current management has avoided pillage and has been rewarded with the highest overall morale in their peer group. Delta's better performance numbers seem to reflect that value. Lets hope it translates into profits this next quarter.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Sawmill--Great that you got out and got something better. Most of us here WANT to fly (not want to AVOID flying like managment) AND we want to improve our working conditions.

I don't believe it's an "either/or" situation. TC

Agreed!!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

agree 100%. the govt has no desire, but it is a problem forcing our hand today. RLA reform should be at the top of everyone's list.

RLA reform? Then that means ALPA-PAC contributions!

 

[CitationLover]

RLA reform? Then that means ALPA-PAC contributions!

no it doesn't. i also believe that all soft money should disappear from out of our legislative process. i would donate to specific congressmen who espouse an agenda of RLA reform.

 

[temcgrew]

Ummm, correct me if im wrong but if you are a pilot and want to make more money, quit being a pilot and go work for management...or somewhere else that pays higher. And if you are management, and want to make less money, but have more freedom from behind the desk, then quit and go be a pilot, or some other job that pays less.
But what do I know, I only lasted as a low-life regional pilot for 6 months before I quit the circus and decided to make more money then most mainline pilots. (Oh, and I spend about 4 hours a week behind a desk)
Its just my .02 that everyone needs to take responsibility for themselves...unless you are incapable...but then again, its easier to btich.

Sounds like you are pitching a MLM campaign. What do you do sell, Mary Kay?:laugh:

 

[davessn763]

RLA reform? Then that means ALPA-PAC contributions!

Where or when has ALPA stated it desires or is working on RLA reform?

 

[Sawmill]

Sawmill--Great that you got out and got something better. Most of us here WANT to fly (not want to AVOID flying like managment) AND we want to improve our working conditions.

I don't believe it's an "either/or" situation. TC

I support all you guys who are trying to improve your working conditions...I saw it first hand also. But b1cthin on a website will do absolutely nothing. But why do you want to improve the working conditions? To have a better QOL? Well, being an employee of an airline will never give you a stable, good QOL. Just ask all the Delta pilots about all the concessions they have given up over the past 5 years. Work 30-40 years expecting a pension and now look what they have. And for the record, I want to fly...which is why I quit. Flying a cherokee (or bonanza soon) is a whole lot more like flying than the button pushing I was doing...that is just my opinion. Not meant to be a cut on airline pilots.

 

[Sawmill]

Sounds like you are pitching a MLM campaign. What do you do sell, Mary Kay?:laugh:

Nope...but that is funny. Last deal: Bought house for 113K, put in $65, sold for $247K. Do that 3 or 4 times a year easily. I try to work only M-Th...dosent always happen though. Take one week vacation per qtr also. (Last week, some nice US Airways pilots flew me to FL...thanks guys)

By the way, whats wrong with selling Mary Kay?

 

[Sawmill]

Sawmill, what do you say to a guy who is 55 years with a mortage and a couple of kids in highschool? Go start a pressure washing business and be your own boss?

ABSOLUTLY! Or a painting business...or a Handyman business...or a Home cleaning business...etc. Ive started 3 businesses. The first was the scariest. Only one failed...my fault totally. Learning experience and moved on. (By the way, my first airline job was at age 41)

 

[deemee boosgkee]

Nope...but that is funny. Last deal: Bought house for 113K, put in $65, sold for $247K. Do that 3 or 4 times a year easily. I try to work only M-Th...dosent always happen though. Take one week vacation per qtr also. (Last week, some nice US Airways pilots flew me to FL...thanks guys)

By the way, whats wrong with selling Mary Kay?

Not to mention (i could be wrong) but on that 69K profit don't you only have to pay the 15% capital gains tax and not the regular tax bracket?

 

[n52gp]

SAwmill, ummm correct me if i'm wrong. if you don't want to be a pilot, get of this website and go make all of your (easy) money! thanks for all the good advice. wish i would've thought of it first!!!

 

[Sawmill]

SAwmill, ummm correct me if i'm wrong. if you don't want to be a pilot, get of this website and go make all of your (easy) money! thanks for all the good advice. wish i would've thought of it first!!!

Im still a pilot...but now a happier, richer, and smarter pilot. As far as capital gains goes, I absolutely have to pay more in taxes...wouldnt you want to have that problem though?
Its amazing how people can so easily justify staying so miserable. The whole point of me posting was to try to let you all know there is a better way. My goal once was to fly for the majors...and yeah, it would have been pretty nice to have made it to that goal, but at what cost? Although it appeared to be me bragging, it was not...anyone can do what I did...and it rely was not that difficult...my CFI checkride was harder.
This web site is full of everyones opinions, and this is just mine. Feel free to ignore, ridicule, bad mouth me...I dont care. Just as you can take comfort in everyone elses dispair...thats a much easier path to take.
I hope nothing but the best for all of you but you make your beds...

 

[zonker]

Im still a pilot...but now a happier, richer, and smarter pilot. As far as capital gains goes, I absolutely have to pay more in taxes...wouldnt you want to have that problem though?
Its amazing how people can so easily justify staying so miserable. The whole point of me posting was to try to let you all know there is a better way. My goal once was to fly for the majors...and yeah, it would have been pretty nice to have made it to that goal, but at what cost? Although it appeared to be me bragging, it was not...anyone can do what I did...and it rely was not that difficult...my CFI checkride was harder.
This web site is full of everyones opinions, and this is just mine. Feel free to ignore, ridicule, bad mouth me...I dont care. Just as you can take comfort in everyone elses dispair...thats a much easier path to take.
I hope nothing but the best for all of you but you make your beds...

The point of the thread is the inequity of the airline industry and what can be done to change it, not for you to tell everyone else what a big deal house flipper you are.

 

[Sawmill]

The point of the thread is the inequity of the airline industry and what can be done to change it, not for you to tell everyone else what a big deal house flipper you are.

Granted. And who cares, other than me, about me. But if you honestly think discussing anything on a BB is going to make a difference, than you are sadly mistaken. The airlines are a business and they will do whatever they have to do to turn a profit...just like any other business. If you really want to change the way capitalism works, then surrender your ALPA card and blue collar, become a suit and try.
So its your choice...be miserable or be happy.
(And by the way, if you want to get under my skin, keep calling me a house flipper...those clowns on tv dont know what they are doing and I have a GC license.hahaha)

 

[zonker]

Granted. And who cares, other than me, about me. But if you honestly think discussing anything on a BB is going to make a difference, than you are sadly mistaken. The airlines are a business and they will do whatever they have to do to turn a profit...just like any other business. If you really want to change the way capitalism works, then surrender your ALPA card and blue collar, become a suit and try.
So its your choice...be miserable or be happy.
(And by the way, if you want to get under my skin, keep calling me a house flipper...those clowns on tv dont know what they are doing and I have a GC license.hahaha)

Discussing it won't, but neither will your tales of schlepping houses.

And I'm not miserable, so I wouldn't make any presumptions otherwise.

 

[Sawmill]

Discussing it won't, but neither will your tales of schlepping houses.

And I'm not miserable, so I wouldn't make any presumptions otherwise.

(Im laughing as i write this) The only time I schlep is on my way to the bank. So you are the exception...along with a handful of others Im sure. But I am wondering just how you are going to change the system. I wont argue with you...whats good for you is not for me and visa versa.

 

[PurpleInMEM]

Live a very modest lifestyle and no job, flying or otherwise, will ever rule you.

 

[big_al]

If you really want to change the way capitalism works, then surrender your ALPA card and blue collar, become a suit and try.
So its your choice...be miserable or be happy.

what are you talking about? corporate greed and stealing of profits has what to do with capitalism? that isn't changing the way capitalism works, thats called changing the way people think capitalism works

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Link to PBS video on Executive Pay

Click and watch were all our pay cuts went. Five minute video.


http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/06082007/watch.html