To Usair/AWA Pilots

[bravodude]

And you wonder why we didn't want any part of that mess. The east has you poor people on a crash course for the iceberg, and usapa is at the helm!

737

And what has alpa done for you..pay cuts shrinking routes and a bk filling, thats good!

 

[Thebadcat1313]

And what has alpa done for you..pay cuts shrinking routes and a bk filling, thats good!

Yeah right. Poor management, bloated cost structure and 9/11 had nothing to do with it. All ALPA's fault.

 

[becket]

And what has alpa done for you..pay cuts shrinking routes and a bk filling, thats good!

Are you actually employed in the aviation profession? It's hard to imagine that a person in the biz. could be so confused. This statement is so simplistic and under-informed I'm nearly positive you suffer from some form of retardation. Just wait and see what the USAPA SCABs come up with. You'll be begging for the day of your misdirected disappointment.

Good Luck rainman.

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Boy,what a little "ray of sunshine" we've become in our old age. What's the matter? Flying with baby brother gettin' you down ?

PHXFLYR

Naw, I enjoy flying with you brother that way I get all stories about you and how you are so much like your uncle!!:laugh:

WD

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Don't forget to pay your $200 when you vote for USAPA.... democracy cost money!!!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

And what has alpa done for you..pay cuts shrinking routes and a bk filling, thats good!

Can you show the BK filings with ALPA's or any unions name on it?

Managment loves guys like you who choose to be ignorant....

 

[BeCareful!]

PHXFLYR -

OK, so you didn't like what I said or something, but can you answer the questions I asked? Specifically:

Didn't ALPA narrowly escape decertification at AWA just a few years ago? What occurred to make you guys almost 100% ALPA supporters?

If the Nicolau wasn't such a huge windfall to you all, then what mighty impressive act did ALPA perform for you all that changed so many minds so quickly?

Also, maybe you can verify soulfly's "facts."

Thanks.

BC

 

[A350]

All you ALPA hounds....remember who was in charge of the AAA MEC when the pension was given away in the middle of the night without membership ratification?

Inquiring minds want to know.

A350

 

[UALjan15]

PHXFLYR -

OK, so you didn't like what I said or something, but can you answer the questions I asked? Specifically:

Didn't ALPA narrowly escape decertification at AWA just a few years ago? What occurred to make you guys almost 100% ALPA supporters?

If the Nicolau wasn't such a huge windfall to you all, then what mighty impressive act did ALPA perform for you all that changed so many minds so quickly?

BC

The Nicolau award is the seniority list with either ALPA or USAPA, whether or not we or you like it, consider it a "windfall" or a travesty. That's kind of how binding arbitration works. The seniority list is not a valid reason for supporting USAPA, even though they will try to tell you otherwise. Your best chance at improving on the Nic is to continue JNC negotiations with that goal in mind. Your one piece of remaining leverage is that this airline can't move forward without the East on board with a combined contract. Why not use that leverage?

Why are we all so ardent ALPA supporters now? Easy.....the alternative is so ghastly that it makes ALPA look like utopia in comparison. Why would we want to support a group founded on the premise of f#cking us, gutting our contract, and costing us years and millions in litigation?

The more interesting question here is: why are you so gullible as to believe the questionable promises of USAPA?

 

[TWA Dude]

Didn't ALPA narrowly escape decertification at AWA just a few years ago?

The contender, AWAPA, didn't get enough cards for an election. So I wouldn't call that a "narrow" escape. Oh, and a former AWAPA leader is our current MEC Chairman.

What occurred to make you guys almost 100% ALPA supporters?

USAPA.

 

[Deadalus]

The Nicolau award is the seniority list with either ALPA or USAPA, whether or not we or you like it, consider it a "windfall" or a travesty. That's kind of how binding arbitration works. The seniority list is not a valid reason for supporting USAPA, even though they will try to tell you otherwise. Your best chance at improving on the Nic is to continue JNC negotiations with that goal in mind. Your one piece of remaining leverage is that this airline can't move forward without the East on board with a combined contract. Why not use that leverage?

Why are we all so ardent ALPA supporters now? Easy.....the alternative is so ghastly that it makes ALPA look like utopia in comparison. Why would we want to support a group founded on the premise of f#cking us, gutting our contract, and costing us years and millions in litigation?

The more interesting question here is: why are you so gullible as to believe the questionable promises of USAPA?

UAL hit it on the head. The arbitration is FINAL and BINDING, it won't go away. All you guys are doing is destroying any chance at a good contract. You guys complain about being f#$^@! over, but you guys are doing it to yourselves. Since you have a long history of screwing yourselves I must asume you're a bunch of masochists.

 

[becket]

All you ALPA hounds....remember who was in charge of the AAA MEC when the pension was given away in the middle of the night without membership ratification?

Inquiring minds want to know.

A350

I remember clearly. It was THEIR OWN ELECTED OFFICIALS, that caved to the pension. It wasn't AWA or ALPA national.

 

[PCL_128]

Oh, and a former AWAPA leader is our current MEC Chairman.

All uSAPa supporters should think about the above quote. This is someone that learned that the best way to accomplish progress is by working within the system. Captain McIlvena is one of many current ALPA leaders that used to be outspoken opponents of the Association. After spending time working in the Association, they realize its value and how things really get accomplished. Follow his lead and don't make the same mistakes that the FPA and IACP pilots did.

 

[Crzipilot]

Well if you guys are so sure that the arbitration stays no matter who the CBA is, and what you want is a contract ASAP. Well even with ALPA that won't occur. You see many on the east believe that the arbitration won't stay. Until that is proven wrong they will vote down ANY contract ALPA comes up with. So without both sides voting in a TA, there won't be any combined contract, Unless of course ALPA pulls a quick one and finds a loop hole to get one forced on the east.

In the meantime, if you let the events play out, the east side satisfy themselves (as all on the west have said that Nick ain't going anywhere) that they've exhausted every legal means available to them. After such has happened a contract will come forward. If USAPA is the CBA, it won't require to seperate votes, but one collective vote.
So sit back, let the vote tally come in, and move on from there.

If your so sure that USAPA can't vacate the award, what do you have to worry about??

 

[Crzipilot]

Or he could be a person who has personal motives to be involved in Union work, and wanted all the power to himself, hence being the leader of AWAPA. that didn't work, so run for ALPA MEC, and enjoy the 30k meetings and other perks associated with such.

Personally I don't see the ROI from alpa that I feel it should be. Aeromedical??? My AME did more work and was quicker than the advice, or what ALPA said. Lobbying???? Is ALPA lobbying really effective?? Or do they just claim victory when one an issue falls the way towards ALPA's stated opinion??? I really didn't see much effect ALPA had on the pension debacle, or getting things changed, Such as the benefit from PBGC to be adjusted for the mandatory retirement age of 60 against 65. Oh, ALPA's answer was to lift retirement age.
How long has ALPA been working on the one pass, or security bypass issue for us???

ALPA is a bloated beuracracy, who has run it's time. I've yet to meet a pilot that has a favorable thing to say regarding alpa. Be it from UAL, Delta, NW, Polar, Atlas etc... ALPA has lost it's bite....