To ALL UNITED pilots courtesy of ALL UAX carriers and their pilots

[eaglesview]

Pretty rare I post anything, let alone the same in two forums. The original UAX letter said we would be forced to deny the jumpseat on all airplanes regardless of tail-color:

Daily Departures:

Skywest 1794
Republic 1300
Mesa 800
Colgan 360
GoJets 78

Total 4332

UAL 1550 (prior to parking 737's)

That's 1,550 flights I might want to get on and 4,332 flights you might want to get on. Let's all quit thumping our chests and fix the problem.

4332 Flights (not all UA) to CLE MDT ABE TYS ect

1550 Flights to SAN HNL SJU SEA GEG ect.

According to ALPA as of 7/17 won't be a problem for either of us.

 

[eaglesview]

Sorry folks, I can't help myself. When I read stupid crap like post #315 I just fire back. Talk about chest thumping "4332 RJ Flights" rah rah give me a break. Does anybody else see that is not a good thing or is it just me?

 

[Fly2AK]

Pretty rare I post anything, let alone the same in two forums. The original UAX letter said we would be forced to deny the jumpseat on all airplanes regardless of tail-color:

Daily Departures:

Skywest 1794
Republic 1300
Mesa 800
Colgan 360
GoJets 78

Total 4332

UAL 1550 (prior to parking 737's)

That's 1,550 flights I might want to get on and 4,332 flights you might want to get on. Let's all quit thumping our chests and fix the problem.

Well good luck, but I as one UAL pilot and a previous express pilot doesn't appreciate being threatened. I have no control over UAL's software and you want to threaten me with an ultimatum, that doesn't go over very well. Right now all you have accomplished is drive a wedge between me and the UAX pilots supporting this letter. UAL pilot's concern right now is the 950 active pilots that are about to be placed in the unemployment line and trying to support our families. This priority issue can be easily resolved by the UAX pilots to just make a short walk to the gate to make sure the proper priority was followed regardless of what the computer came up with. I did that as an express pilot, why is that difficult for UAX guys. You can control that, I can't control UA's software.

 

[McNugget]

Just remember, if United goes under, so do you.

Not likely. Our EMB170s will fill the market void on their own, and there won't be any jumpseat issues. Maybe there is some truth to the legend of the guppykiller, after all.

 

[Fly2AK]

Sorry folks, I can't help myself. When I read stupid crap like post #315 I just fire back. Talk about chest thumping "4332 RJ Flights" rah rah give me a break. Does anybody else see that is not a good thing or is it just me?

I think you have the wrong post, I had post #315 and said nothing about 4332 RJ flights. that was a couple post before mine.

 

[Freeze_gopher]

I'm going to say it again, UAX pilots were not consulted prior to this letter being sent. No one I have spoken to was aware that the letter was being written let alone the contents of the letter. I haven't spoken to or even heard of anyone that thinks that denying jumpseats is an appropriate thing to do. To be honest, the UALMEC should do nothing in response because UAX pilots are not going to deny Jumpseats. It sounds to me that UAX JSCs responded emotionally out frustration in issuing this letter. I appreciate the work that those folks do for us but, this wasn't smart, necessary, or well carried out. Even if the UALMEC does start denying us jumpseats, I still won't advocate denying jumpseats.
The UAX pilots didn't ask for this fight, we don't seem to be having much luck getting our JSC's to retract this letter. None of this needs to happen.

 

[Fly2AK]

Not likely. Our EMB170s will fill the market void on their own, and there won't be any jumpseat issues. Maybe there is some truth to the legend of the guppykiller, after all.

What market void do you think you will fill, your whole business plan is based off of fee for departure, YOU ARE A CONTRACT CARRIER NOT A STAND ALONE CARRIER.

 

[Freeze_gopher]

Mcnugget,

I don't like people attacking each other or posting stuff that is just supposed to anger or get a rise out of folks, even more so when it's not clever well thought out etc....so I'm just going to ignore you.

 

[eaglesview]

I think you have the wrong post, I had post #315 and said nothing about 4332 RJ flights. that was a couple post before mine.

My bad sorry.

 

[eaglesview]

I'm going to say it again, UAX pilots were not consulted prior to this letter being sent. No one I have spoken to was aware that the letter was being written let alone the contents of the letter. I haven't spoken to or even heard of anyone that thinks that denying jumpseats is an appropriate thing to do. To be honest, the UALMEC should do nothing in response because UAX pilots are not going to deny Jumpseats. It sounds to me that UAX JSCs responded emotionally out frustration in issuing this letter. I appreciate the work that those folks do for us but, this wasn't smart, necessary, or well carried out. Even if the UALMEC does start denying us jumpseats, I still won't advocate denying jumpseats.
The UAX pilots didn't ask for this fight, we don't seem to be having much luck getting our JSC's to retract this letter. None of this needs to happen.

I really don't think there is much to worry about. The reality is 99% of all pilots will help another one get to work. (scabs excluded) Unless directly asked not to allow UAX on I will always accept them. It is, in my opinion, highly unlikely it will come to that.

 

[Fly2AK]

I'm going to say it again, UAX pilots were not consulted prior to this letter being sent. No one I have spoken to was aware that the letter was being written let alone the contents of the letter. I haven't spoken to or even heard of anyone that thinks that denying jumpseats is an appropriate thing to do. To be honest, the UALMEC should do nothing in response because UAX pilots are not going to deny Jumpseats. It sounds to me that UAX JSCs responded emotionally out frustration in issuing this letter. I appreciate the work that those folks do for us but, this wasn't smart, necessary, or well carried out. Even if the UALMEC does start denying us jumpseats, I still won't advocate denying jumpseats.
The UAX pilots didn't ask for this fight, we don't seem to be having much luck getting our JSC's to retract this letter. None of this needs to happen.

Again, thanks. The problem is on this board most of the post about this letter have been UAX pilots in support of the ultimatum, you are one of the few that has vocalized your disagreement. I hope we can bump into more pilots like yourself.

 

[Fly2AK]

My bad sorry.

No problem.

 

[imacdog]

What market void do you think you will fill, your whole business plan is based off of fee for departure, YOUR A CONTRACT CARRIER NOT A STAND ALONE CARRIER.

They will fill the regional flying needs of whatever carrier swoops in to pick up the scraps if United fails. They have the ability to switch brand loyalties, you do not.

 

[McNugget]

What market void do you think you will fill, your whole business plan is based off of fee for departure, YOUR A CONTRACT CARRIER NOT A STAND ALONE CARRIER.

I believe, in this case, that "YOU'RE" (as a contraction for "YOU ARE" would be correct. YOUR would indicate something possessive, like YOUR GUPPY. Just trying to help.

 

[eaglesview]

They will fill the regional flying needs of whatever carrier swoops in to pick up the scraps if United fails. They have the ability to switch brand loyalties, you do not.

So UAL fails, you are there to fly your RJ for whoever picks up the scraps. Let me guess you get that flying by undercutting the next guy and continuing the race to the bottom. Good plan where do I sign up?