To All Mesa Pilots

[nobottomfeeder]

I'm not going to moan about you guys taking everyone's flying because you just fly where you're told to. What I will moan about is how you guys, along with the other bottom feeders, are dragging our entire industry down. How and why on earth would any of you sign such a bad contract. Trust me guys -it's horrible; hell it's degrading. For any low time guys out there I know the thought of getting an airline job at 300hrs is your dream but think carefully. No offense, but a pilot with 300hrs total has not business being in the right seat of any sort of jet. Mesa pilots, you have done this to yourselves. I know many captains from many airlines that won't take Mesa pilots on a jumpseat. Even though I think you're all a bunch of bottom feeders, you deserve more than what you're getting. It's too bad you didn't have the balls to stand up for yourselves. I'm not an ACA pilot, but I will proudly display the "Say No To Mesa" sticker that's going around.


RJ FO from a respectable company

 

[Rogue5]

*** (Yawn) ***


Haven't we all been through this a thousand times before?

I do have to say though, Mr. nobottomfeeder, you have decided to take a strongly confrontational and knowledgeable stance for your first post!

Cheers...

RJ FO from (another) respectable company.

 

[I Hate Freight]

Maybe the answer is to somehow let the flying public know that Mesa is hiring 300-hr pilots. Get the word out, agressively. After all this is a dangerous practice. A 300 pilot has NO business flying anything but a light single or twin.

I Hate Freight!

 

[big dog1]

http://forums.mesalounge.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=12745

 

[Cows Go Moo]

How and why on earth would any of you sign such a bad contract. Trust me guys -it's horrible...

You think we don't know that? We all knew that it was bad, and you know what? We still voted it in. Why? Well, the reasons are numerous and have been an old beaten horse too many times for me to list them again. ~78% voted in favor, and it wasn't just for the unadulterated hell of it. Run a search if you're interested. It's a lot easier to blindly bash us than figure out why things are the way they are.

... I will proudly display the "Say No To Mesa" sticker that's going around.

I'd like to know just what this sticker is trying to say. Is it a general anti-Mesa campaign? Is it anti-company or anti-pilot or something else? Did Mesa ask a question of some kind to which the answer is "no?" Like, "Have you hugged your Mesa today?" Or, "Have you recently wasted a lot of time and energy thinking about something regarding Mesa over which you have no control?" Enquiring minds would like to know.

 

[SaladShooter]

The stickers he is referring to were put out by ACA employees in regards to the potential takeover. (AERO put them out I believe)It is meant to be a say NO to MAG managment and takes no stance on the pilot group.

 

[wscrj]

goop-off?

So, of course, they have all been removed, right?

 

[TheInsider]

No offense, but a pilot with 300hrs total has not business being in the right seat of any sort of jet


Who do you think is protecting our country? A 10000 hr. jet pilot?
If a pilot has been selected and trained right is is is very possible to sit in the right seat of a a jet with 300 hrs.
That goes for military and civillian pilots.
The greates threat to your career is not a Mesa pilot but your own, uneducated and ignorant attitude.

 

[350DRIVER]

Maybe the answer is to somehow let the flying public know that Mesa is hiring 300-hr pilots. Get the word out, agressively. After all this is a dangerous practice. A 300 pilot has NO business flying anything but a light single or twin.

I Hate Freight, are you really that nieve and way out in right field? Your ignorance gave me a good laugh though so I must say "thank you", I really needed that after a long week. These "300 hour" wonder guys still must pass indoc, systems, sim, checkride, oral, ioe, etc, etc, before they are line qualified. Are you just a tad bitt"a" and p!ssed since these guys are going into new crj's and you are "still" stuck flying freight with 4000+ hours!?!?! lol Wake up bud... Keep your chin up though since it will one day get better. I would loose the attitude since it hasn't gotten you very far thus far, fortunately your claims carry no factual data.

wake up

3 5 0

 

[furloughita]

Don't disrespect your 'respectful company' by posting anything else. Your attitude is lower than any contract.

 

[Cosmo1999]

 

[I.P. Freley]

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.............

"Respectable company"??

Too bad you aren't a respectable PERSON. You, sir (or ma'am) are a mindless sheep and a loser.

Oh, garsh, could I PLEASE spend a day in a cockpit with an all-knowing aviator like you?

 

[bobbysamd]

MAPD

For any low time guys out there I know the thought of getting an airline job at 300hrs is your dream but think carefully. No offense, but a pilot with 300hrs total has not business being in the right seat of any sort of jet.

Originally posted by I Hate Freight
Maybe the answer is to somehow let the flying public know that Mesa is hiring 300-hr pilots. Get the word out, agressively. After all this is a dangerous practice. A 300 pilot has NO business flying anything but a light single or twin.

First off, do either of you know what you're talking about?

I worked at Mesa eleven years ago as an MAPD instructor. I can tell you from teaching MAPD students whom, I'm 99.9999999% sure, eventually became captains, that the program is excellent. Students who are hired (and not all are hired) are well prepared for class and can fly. Moreover, after a year they will have more than a thousand hours of RJ time in 121 ops, no longer making them 300-hour pilots.

I am not at all a Mesa Air Group booster. I did not work there long because I did not like how it treated me. This was during the Larry Risley days. But, I do like MAPD, so I feel I'm being fair.

I second the comment above about military pilots actually being comparatively low-timers.

 

[CarjCapt]

In response:

Anyone who has managed to be hired by a FAR 121 airline is trained to the same standards no matter what your background.

The following are true:

First the only difference between me (Captain) and my FO is I got here first.

While I have more time doesn't mean that I'm a better stick.

and lastly the only real difference is "Experience" and hopefully good judgement that goes alone with that experience.

With that I welcome 300 or 3000 hr pilots in the cockpit I share.

Just remember the Whale/MD11/777 Captain that just retired at your favorite major airline may have been a 200-300 hr (with only 2 years of college) new hire in 1965-67.

 

[RIDETHELIGHTING]

All most true about getting here first. One problem if in ALT. gets busted or something goes wrong the FO does not get the violation only the PIC does.

 

[mesa rocks]

guys,

just stop replying to these losers who just seem to want to get a rise out of us. It's not worth getting upset about. We all have better things to do. I know I do.

I need to get back to the studying for my jet upgrade!!

(no bull---t!)

 

[Cosmo1999]

Id have to agree with you there. I think nearly every concievable subject on this matter has been talked about on this board at some point or another. This horse has been beaten to death so many times. As far as the MAPD people go they were some of the sharpest people in class. They already had to go through the systems, oral, sim/PC and pass it all to standards before they could get an interview then they have to go through it all again. Its just one of many ways to get to an airline. How bout finding something else to talk about? Theres plenty of other political matters to debate out there. Remember United once actually went into FBOs recruiting people who may not have even had a multi-engine rating yet and the ink hadnt even dried yet on their commercial cert.

 

[Cappy]

Three points:


One: Mesa pilots bought scope. Plain and simple. This will set them up for an easier time during the next round of contract talks. If they had not conceeded to buy scope then jobs would have easily moved to other entities within MAG and you would be wailing worse against them.

Two: My father was an Eastern pilot hired in 1966 with 194 total. Of this time none was IFR nor multi-engine. His first commercial checkride was on the 707-720 where he recieved his Commercial Multi-engine IFR Turbo-jet...all on one ride.

Three: I have had the opportunity to be with Mesa crews during overnights and they rocked! We had some fun and drank beer like it was going out of style...lots of fun.

Coming onto a public website to grumble about something you cannot directly affect is time waisted. Mesa pilots are well aware of the fact their contract is subpar. Beating them up about it here will do nothing. Instead I offer a better approach:

The next time you run into a Mesa crew why don't you buy them a beer and tell them that as an ALPA pilot you will proudly support them during their next round of talks. In doing this you can directly affect the attitudes of the Mesa pilots. Even if you never come across a Mesa crew, maybe you could offer support here?

Instead of using your hand to beat them down, why don't you offer it to help them up?

My $.02

Mike

 

[Glacialfury1906]

Well said.....

The next time you run into a Mesa crew why don't you buy them a beer and tell them that as an ALPA pilot you will proudly support them during their next round of talks. In doing this you can directly affect the attitudes of the Mesa pilots. Even if you never come across a Mesa crew, maybe you could offer support here?

Instead of using your hand to beat them down, why don't you offer it to help them up?

My $.02

Mike

Excellent post Cappy, I mean the horse has been beaten over and over again to multiple slow, brutal deaths. Let it go.......

 

[YEAGER1]

Hey its called the regionals for a reason. Were not flying 777. We are flying RJ'S. And just because MESA is off a couple of dollars here and there and hour. Your going to talk all of this **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**. MESA AND CHQ. are the hated regionals. Were on our own. No wholly owned BS. Were expanding, and your not. So F- off.