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To All Fractional Excel Pilots

Smellycat

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Lets get all the Excel pilots in the Fractional Industrie together to help Instructorpuke through Excel initial training, and indoc at Netjets.

This is an APB for any and all Excel type rated pilots to give Instructor Puke any and all pointers that he might need to be the BEST DARN EXCEL CO-Pilot that ever set foot into the jet.

Come on, now... help Instructor Puke out. He has NO jet time. He has NO FMS time.

Let's all pitch in.

Well, I would, but i dont know nuttn about it.

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InstructorPuke

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Sigh...

Well cat, you know it would seem that you are posting these things to try and goad me into another irate response. You know what, it's not going to work. I've tried to be the bigger person here and apologize to you and all others that saw the post from lastnight. I agree that it was completely out of line what I said, but you continually try to force it again.
It is true I have NO jet time, or NO FMS time but that really didn't seem to matter to the folks that I interviewed with and in turn hired me. It is thankfully a place that will give me the experience and quality of life that I need to take care of my family.
If you feel the need to continually attack me, please feel free. I am happy with myself and my experience to work for NetJets as long as they will have me.

Thanks to all that care,

IP
 

Safetycheck

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What a great idea!

Hey, this sounds like a good idea!

While this Cat guy may have an ulterior motive, the concept is good, don't you think?

There may be some study guides available on the Excel...most likely the Net Jets crews will have some guidance for you. Heck, I may be able to tap some of my connections for some electronic info on the Excel. As for NetJets ops, cannot be of assistance there.

Perhaps the other NetJets pilots on the board can chime in.
 

cgmason1

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IP
If you are in Indoc before aircraft training-just go over to your program managers office and get a new hire study guide. You can also call them now and get one. When you get your letter with your dates of training at FSI there will be a name and contact number on it-you can call and ask for your books ahead of time-I think it varies per FSI facility-but the Wilmington, D.E. FSI had no problem sending me mine.

Also there is a poster here that goes by NJA Capt-he is an Excel CPT-send him a PM-maybe he can put you in touch with the right person in the Excel Program.(Sorry to volunteer you NJA Capt)

Also-a previous post of mine was deleted in reference to your question about renting a car for Indoc. Last year when I went through Indoc allot of people shared rides together-I myself drove two guys back and forth from the Candlewood Suites to Indoc, to the Grocery, dinner, etc. It is a gamble going without transportation-classes were bigger last year-mine was 25-30 pilots-now I hear it is below 10.

Don't forget anything you spend money on at Indoc that is business related-ie food, mileage to, in and around mileage(keep a log or a total), gas, dry cleaning, hotel bill etc is all tax deductible.
Hopefully with the new contract the hotel will be covered for Indoc-my understanding is that when the old contract was written all pilots lived at CMH-so there was no need to provide a hotel.

Fly Safe
Chuck
 

Lrjet55

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Instructorpuke

Dont sweat it! I had a buddy just get done in the excel with less experience than you. What I am getting at is he had all his time in Caravans flying VFR in Africa. It doesnt get any more opposite to what we do over here than that. I told him the same thing someone else on the board mentioned to you. Go in and chat with the program manager and let him know your concerns. Other than that have a good attitude and give it your best. It is not rocket science. It is just something different that you are not used to, the same as when you learnt to fly or that first time with that special gal, what was her name again? Hmmm, so many fond memories. Anyhow my point is that you will do fine. Get with your sim partner and make sure you are clear on stuff and for heavens sake ask questions. Best of luck. Welcome to the greatest company around.
 

Gandolf

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If you go to www.noprops.com, an EJA (sorry, NJA) instructor in the Excel has some excellent Powerpoint training material on the Excel. Memory items, annunciators, class notes. Go to the NetJets stuff and then click on "Training Aids". It is good stuff, all the fleets should have this stuff available.
 

Safetycheck

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Great idea!

Can you check that no props link? Just FYI, I tried it and it came up a DNS error.

Yea, like I said earlier...wow, did Cessna do a great job with these new jets like the Excel and the Encore/Ultra/bravo series. There is no easier jet out there for newbie pilots to fly IMHO. (In My Humble Opinion.) Believe me, I have flown my share of jets where the switches were everywhere and the systems a nightmare!

Should have no problem learning it all.

Just for background info, Instructorpuke, what kind of aircraft have you been flying besides the Saab?

S.C.

-P.S. Smelly cat is awfully quiet tonight! Maybe the dog got him...better yet, maybe the watchdog BANNED him!
 

LR45JI

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noprops.com

The "No Props" link doesn't work because it has a comma behind the link:

www.noprops.com

Good luck instructor puke and welcome to the family :)
 

Diesel

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SmellyCat-

When i was hired with EJA now NJA i had 2509tt. Yes 9 hours above the minimum.

I had no FMS time, NO jet time, NO crm time.

I had flown Single pilot my whole life.

But I was willing to learn and I sucked up everything like a sponge. The FMS was a joke to learn. The Jet was easier than props.

What got me was CRM time. I had none. I worked hard and still do every day to change old behaviors.

What gets you through the training is not what you know it's what your WILLING to learn.

Go get them IP you've got the willingness and attitude to learn. You will have no problem!!

If you have a problem IM me, ill give you my cell number. I'm in a different plane but i"m always available for help.
 

InstructorPuke

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Thanks Diesel

I appreciate it and I'll definately take you up on your offer. JP11 is sending me some stuff in the mail. I know I'm probably jumping the gun on it but I want to get started... Very excited.

Thanks again
IP
 

InstructorPuke

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noprops.com

Might be a stupid question but I'm gonna ask anyway. Must of what is on there requires powerpoint. I dont have that, can you download it anywhere or do you just have to buy it.

IP
 

TR328

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Excelh

Hey, IP. IM me, and I'll help you out too,. I'm on the Excel and I'm new, so let me know if I can help.

Tom
 

InstructorPuke

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IT WORKS

dude, thanks a bunch that stuff is freakin fantastic,,,just what i was looking for.

IP
 

wildbill

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IP,
I am not fortunate enough to be a net Jet pilot, however went o FSI in ICT back in April and got my Excel type. What they want you to know is the red boxed items in the checklist. there are not many. Most you should already know having flown heavy airplanes. As to the FMS it can take days to learn. Do not panic though it will come in time. They will teach you the basics in class.They also have a simulator and books so you can play with it on your time or between sim sessions. That box is amazing.
The airplane itself is sweet to fly. Just pay attention in class and it will fall into place. Nothing is overwhelming about it. Unfortunately our plane is now back in ICT for a while. We took a lightning strike with only 55 tt on the plane.
Just remember relax and don't make the program harder than it really is.
Best of Luck..
 

infoman

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instructor puke,
Let me put it this way to you and anyone else reading this.
The yoke does the same thing it always did, the power levers, and rudders. So all thats left is systems ,limitations and sops. The fact you do your homework and ask questions tells me you will do great. Welcome to NJA .
Oh yea, as far as glass, less to look at ,and I now have a callous on my index finger from all the direct too's.
PFM.
 

InstructorPuke

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Thanks guys

At the risk of sounding too woman like, I'm gonna say it anyway. Everybody that I know or encountered that works for NetJets, has been great. If 10% of the workforce I have yet to encounter is even half as nice as everyone I have met so far, it will be a heck of a place to work.

Alot of you guys have offered help, and believe me, if I run into any trouble, I will not hesitate to ask. I am very excited about being a part of the NetJets family and will in turn do my best to help the next person that comes down the line.

I will stop playing the violin now.:D


Thanks for all the assistance guys. Got a big folder full of Excel notes and I'm studying away.

Peace out yall
IP
 

Jetz

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You should thank Smellycat

From what I have read, it looks like you should thank Smelly Cat for organizing this post, and providing a place for you to gather some good study material.

Keep us posted on how you are doing. Best of Luck.

:)
 

ArmyPilot

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STUDY

IP,

I was in the same shoes as you, in fact half of my time was in helicopters. When I went off to the Hawker type I had spent A LOT OF TIME studying systems, limitations and configurations. GET THE BOOKS AND STUDY, it makes the whole FSI experience a lot easier and it allows you the time to sit back and learn not just regurgitate information for the checkride. I made flashcards with all of the required memory items (red items on checklist) and at dinner or whenever I was sitting still I would go through the flash cards. That made memorizing the limitations and immiediate actions steps a snap. Also, I read the systems manual many, many many (did I say many) times. This made learning the systems in class a breeze. While everyone was taking notes and trying to stay up I just sat and listened and reinforced what I had all ready learned. The bottom line is all of this preparation made the sim time much more managable then expected. Don't get me wrong, for a guy with no jet time it was a challenge to stay ahead of the aircraft but after spending 3 hours in an oral examination that I smoked (thanks to the prep I did) it was a great confidence builder for the flying part. To tell you the truth my hardest experience was getting used to that darn flight director! Of course now I know why my stick buddy couldn't fly without it, darn thing can make you lazy! And of course it goes without saying that you MUST work well with your stick buddy. Mine was terrible (must of been the water he walked on) but when it came to checkride time I watched him melt down, I walked him through it like a great FO and when it was done I demanded (kindly) he do the same for me. It makes life a lot easier if your stick buddy is working with you and not against you. I enjoyed the type rating and learned a ton of stuff. The most important advise I think you can get is to RELAX! It is not rocket science and you will do just fine.

GOOD LUCK!
 
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