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TKS anti-ice

ALIMBO

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TKS systems such as those found on ther newer Piper Saratoga's are not approved for flight into known icing right?
 

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TKS systems such as those found on ther newer Piper Saratoga's are not approved for flight into known icing right?

Some are, some aren't. I once flew a Commander 115 with TKS that was certified for known ice.

The Saratoga is not. This took about 20 seconds to research on the piper website, BTW.

The certified system on the Commander had a number of differences from the more basic system... redundant pumps, a large capacity tank, windshield de-ice off the top of my head.
 

ALIMBO

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Ya I was going off to a service for my grandmother she passed away and I didn't have time to search but thanks for the input.
 

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The SR22's I ferry have it and TKS Solution is $$$$$ and most places don't have it...
 

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most places don't have it...

Maybe smaller airports might not carry it, but I fly a Citation S-II and we don't seem to have a problem finding it. Florida seems to be the only place where there seems to be an issue. Even in Texas and California where we go into that has at least 5000' runways all seem to have have a supply of it. Of course a lot of people scratch their heads when we tell them that our citations TKS needs topped off.
 

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There are commanders (500s), 210s, barons, and caravans flying checks with tks known ice systems. Don't know what else they're approved for.
 

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Maybe smaller airports might not carry it, but I fly a Citation S-II and we don't seem to have a problem finding it. Florida seems to be the only place where there seems to be an issue. Even in Texas and California where we go into that has at least 5000' runways all seem to have have a supply of it. Of course a lot of people scratch their heads when we tell them that our citations TKS needs topped off.

Try that outside the US, and then report back.
 

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Try that outside the US, and then report back.


Ok. How about Calgary, Toronto, Vancouver and Quebec. Haven't had any issues there either. Mexico is a completely different issue but heck we have to take our own Prist when we go down there with the exception of Cancun but icing "usually" isn't an issue that far south.
 

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Canada is practically an extention of the US...hardly very international. Travel out of the country...really out of the country, and you may find that what you take for granted isn't that readily available.
 

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Canada is practically an extention of the US...hardly very international. Travel out of the country...really out of the country, and you may find that what you take for granted isn't that readily available.


That's why I like the smaller jets. I really have no desire to go across the pond. Heck the first time I went to Mazatlan and I had some teenager come up the airplane with an M16 strapped to his shoulder was enough for me :uzi:
 

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Maybe smaller airports might not carry it, but I fly a Citation S-II and we don't seem to have a problem finding it. Florida seems to be the only place where there seems to be an issue. Even in Texas and California where we go into that has at least 5000' runways all seem to have have a supply of it. Of course a lot of people scratch their heads when we tell them that our citations TKS needs topped off.
At an operation I flew with (Also an S/II operator) we carried it around in a special case in the tail in the chance we couldn't find any at our destination. That stuff SUCKS to work with...very slippery.
 

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TKS is very difficult to obtain in China. Fed Ex will handle it or you can put it on a train. Either way, your gonna sit for a few days if you need it. Our Ops wouldn't allow us to carry it on board the aircraft.
 

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Why does Hawker insist on using TKS for anti/de-icing? Seems to me on any jet bleed air is cheap and unlimited and much less messy, the TKS thing has always confused me, and having to fill it up behind the cockpit inside the aircraft can get messy.
 

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My best guess goes back to its inception. The first generation engines used on it (Were they Vipers?) weren't all that powerful, and they probably couldn't spare any bleed air. Just a guess
 

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I know that, but however todays engines have the extra power, and to me bleed air would be a whole lot easier. I believe that the new 900 still uses TKS.
 

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I agree...I'm thinking, as always, it boils down to $$$. If it's worked for close to 40 years, why bother spending money to change it? That being said, there's a few things that could changed to the original Hawker design (External baggage and high operating ceiling for starters...)

I've heard that the 4000 has a hotwing.
 

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The 900XP and 750 both continue to have TKS wet wings. I am not sure about the 4000.
 

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Have they ever given you an explination in training as to why they continue to use this? There must be a reason as it seems like a real pain in the butt. I know when I was working line service I used to hate filling those things up.
 
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