Welcome to Flightinfo.com

  • Register now and join the discussion
  • Friendliest aviation Ccmmunity on the web
  • Modern site for PC's, Phones, Tablets - no 3rd party apps required
  • Ask questions, help others, promote aviation
  • Share the passion for aviation
  • Invite everyone to Flightinfo.com and let's have fun

Timmy the terrorist latest fabrication

Welcome to Flightinfo.com

  • Register now and join the discussion
  • Modern secure site, no 3rd party apps required
  • Invite your friends
  • Share the passion of aviation
  • Friendliest aviation community on the web

likeitis

Well-known member
Joined
Nov 25, 2001
Posts
359
To: All Midwest and Skyway Employees
Date: July 2, 2008
From: T.E. Hoeksema
Subject: Additional Details -- Wage Reductions

In keeping with the promise I made to keep you informed, I am writing today
to give you additional details on one of the action items in our
restructuring plan regarding our employees -- wage reductions.

Record-high fuel prices have put us in this predicament. As a result, we
are taking action to restructure our airline: adjusting our fleet and
network, and aligning our organization and costs to be able to compete and
be profitable in this new energy economy. I believe that all domestic
airlines will eventually need to restructure. We are implementing our
restructuring in a comprehensive way, working to make significant and
sustainable change quickly, whereas other airlines may make changes
incrementally.

Unfortunately, there is no way to avoid deep and painful reductions to our
current compensation. Our cost structure today, in advance of this
restructuring, resembles that of airlines much larger than we are, with
national and even global networks, flying larger aircraft. Following our
restructuring, we will not have the larger aircraft and revenue generation
capacity to support our current cost structure. Even the exemplary service
you provide and the customer loyalty it engenders cannot overcome this
disadvantage in the new energy environment of $140-a-barrel oil. Our
choices are to fix this disparity so our costs better match our revenues,
file for Chapter 11 and try to fix it there, or ignore it and fail as a
business.

We believe our best choice -- for ourselves, our customers and the
communities we serve -- is to step up to the difficult work in front of us
and to restructure now on our terms. Many employees I've talked to over the
last week agree with this decision when it's presented in these stark, but
realistic, terms.

If that's our path, as we believe it should be, our guiding principles are
clear:
Everyone participates in compensation reductions, productivity
improvements or employee count reductions; no exceptions.
The reductions are fair and equitable.

"Fair and equitable" means applying the same standard to each work group
and resetting everyone's compensation to the market. That means
benchmarking against airlines that fly aircraft of similar capacity, which
is the basic component of our ability to generate revenue. Our commitment
to set all employees' wages and benefits to a consistent standard extends
across all of our work groups, with the actual percentage wage reductions
varying by work group.

Represented Work Groups

Our top-of-scale rate for pilots is currently 32% higher than the average
hourly pay for pilots who fly aircraft of similar capacity for other
airlines. The cost of pension, health and other benefits for our pilots is
45% higher than the average at comparably sized airlines. Productivity per
pilot is also less than at comparably sized airlines.

Similarly, our flight attendants are earning above-market wages and
benefits, although in this case the premium is smaller. Our top-of-scale
rate for flight attendants is currently 23% higher than the average hourly
pay for flight attendants in the cabins of aircraft of similar capacity.

Given these realities and the actions we need to take to adjust our fleet
and network, we are proposing pay reductions, benefit adjustments and
productivity improvements to the Airline Pilots Association and the
Association of Flight Attendants to align pay and benefits for our pilots
and flight attendants with comparably sized airlines.

Non-Represented Work Groups

According to salary surveys, many Midwest non-represented employees earn
wages on average that are at or below those of employees at comparably
sized airlines. Based on this, the average reduction in compensation for
non-represented employees will be:
Maintenance technicians -- 10%.
Professional staff (Grade 9-13) -- 5%.
These reductions will be effective upon ratification of the ALPA and AFA
agreements.

Midwest administrative staff (Grade 1-8) and Skyway employees will not
experience a compensation reduction, nor will Midwest station employees.
This decision is based on what the market currently provides in terms of
compensation for these work groups, in conjunction with them taking
significant reductions in employees through improvements in productivity
and changes in capacity.

Senior management will earn wages and benefits below their peer group
average. This reflects our belief as a management team that we should lead
by example and that we bear ultimate responsibility for keeping our airline
competitive.
As CEO, I will take a 40% reduction in my total pay.
Senior vice presidents will take a 25% reduction in total pay.
Officers (vice presidents) will take a 17% reduction in total pay.
Directors and senior managers will take an 11% reduction in total pay.

My pay reduction and those of the senior vice presidents will be effective
July 15; the reductions for other members of senior management will be
effective upon ratification of the ALPA and AFA agreements. I want to
clarify two points regarding management pay. First, members of senior
management have a greater percentage of their total pay "at risk." Total
pay includes salary plus incentive compensation awarded for the achievement
of individual goals and on overall company performance. Second, the notion
of incentive compensation based on our airline's profit target this year is
largely a moot point, since we're in a restructuring mode, not a
profit-achieving mode.

Some may say that our proposals aren't fairly allocated "across the board"
because the percentages aren't uniform from one work group to the next. I
understand the appeal of that argument, but it's a false appeal; the pay
and benefit reductions are fair, equitable and based on the market rates
for similar positions at comparably sized airlines.

Please don't misunderstand me; these are significant reductions by any
measure and will cause great hardship to our employees and their families.

Regarding reductions in staffing, there is no way to minimize the depth of
reductions we need to make to implement a comprehensive restructuring. We
are still working through a position-by-position evaluation of every
function within our airline, so it's not yet possible to tell each employee
whether the reductions will directly impact her or his job. But we promise
to complete those efforts as quickly as possible and to communicate them in
the most compassionate way possible.

Be assured that I do not underestimate the stress and concern this
situation is causing you and your family, and I wish it could be avoided.
At the same time, I cannot overstate the admiration and respect I hold for
each member of the Midwest family as we continue day in and day out to
deliver "The best care in the air." It is that strong spirit and pride that
has made us successful and will sustain us through this difficult chapter
in our history.

Thank you.






I think it's now pretty obvious that management is just looking for someone to blame except themselves when the file chapter 11 or 7.
 
Our
choices are to fix this disparity so our costs better match our revenues,
file for Chapter 11 and try to fix it there, or ignore it and fail as a
business.

1. Costs with 88 seats will not match revenue of 117 seats. I bet they could work for free and still lose money.

2. Ch. 11 is always pretty productive. (sarcasm)

3. My bet lies here, fail as a business. The pilots and FA's will vote it down, I'd imagine. That will be ignoring in Midwest's eyes. TPG will pull the plug and send it to 7. I was thinking shutdown early next year, that paragraph makes it seem they won't last the month.
 
It's pretty convenient that they are talking about "airplanes of similiar capacity" when they are only putting 88 seats in a 717. They have the ability to put 117 seats in that airplane and remove the self imposed revenue cap. I'm sure they want to base pilot compensation on 90 seat RJ pay then after you sign the deal put 117 seats in the plane. They also say that this all caused by fuel costs but I'll bet they will want your pay cuts to be fixed and permanent for a long period of time. If this oil bubble pops and a glut results causing oil to fall to $80/bbl then too bad for you.

I would also not be fooled by reductions in executive pay. They will NOT be signing contracts freezing their pay for a long period of time. As soon as things improve they will get bonuses that will pay for all of their "sacrifices" and then some; that's just how it works. I would also like to add that Midwest is no longer a public corporation so you will never really know what they are paid anyway. Upper management pay cuts are nothing more than a publicity stunt.

Times are tough and if you choose to take concessions that's up to your group although I don't think it will change the outcome in the end. If you do anything insist on the following: 1.) The 717 is a 117 seat airplane, period. If the company chooses to put less seats in the plane that's on them. 2.) If fuel prices caused the problem then index pay reductions to oil prices. If oil comes down significantly you should be able to restore some of the lost compensation, just like the execs. Historically, every giant spike in fuel prices is followed by reduced demand, overproduction, and a sharp drop in prices caused by oversupply. I don't know when it will happen or how high fuel will go before it will happen but it will happen. Fuel prices may have increased 100% in a year but demand has not and demand is now falling. There isn't a lot of spare pumping capacity in the world but there is some safety margin and that margin will increase as demand slows and everybody and their brother starts drilling and pumping like mad to sell at these prices. The glut shall cometh.

There's no way to know what they are thinking here but I don't see a Chapter 11 reorganization. Once they file the creditors will own the company and there's no reason for TPG to spend more in a restructuring. TPG will walk after the liquidation. If the only way they can keep the company operating is by paying bottom end 90 seat wages for 717's permanently then they don't have a viable business and it's time to call it quits. Do what you have to do within reason but don't panic and do something unreasonable that you will be stuck with forever. If you capitulate Timmy and the TPG pigs will laugh all the way to the bank when fuel costs come down and the economy improves. Good luck.
 
They aren't even offering 90 seat wages. What they are offering is below 50 pax wages. Top is 87 for capt and 37 for FO. This isn't even factoring in a complete gutting of our medical, dental and canceling all retirement. Also dropping the rigs and cutting vacation and sick leave big time. They already dropped the LTD to 40% with a 180 day waiting period and a max payout of $5000/month. The medical is a joke right now. I could go to Wal-mart and get a better policy.
 
I don't claim to be in the know, but it would seem that they are trying to get the pilots to shut the place down for them. Offer an unacceptable contract then blame them when the doors close.
 
Man this is sad. I love Midwest. The people working there are great. All you Midwest people are a victim of horrible management. After 9/11 they should have started maxing out their capacity instead of sticking with the wide leather seat business plan.

Well, best of luck to all of you....
 
What is very interesting is that, except for a few senior leaders, all the non-represented employee compensation reduction is directly tied to ALPA and AFA getting on board.

When the dust settles, both those groups will be cut in HALF. The other half on the street. How on earth does the company think they have the votes of those employees????

The best benchmark for 717 compensation is a 717 operator. And that is Airtran. A brief look at their pay scales reveals that a MidEx driver will make HALF the hourly rate (CA and FO) of their AAI counter part.
 
The best benchmark for 717 compensation is a 717 operator. And that is Airtran. A brief look at their pay scales reveals that a MidEx driver will make HALF the hourly rate (CA and FO) of their AAI counter part.

That would only be true if Midex had the same seating configuration as AAI., but with almost 20 less seats, it's hard to make that arguement. I agree they are getting the shaft, but their 717's have about the same configuration as most EMB190's.
 
I don't care how many seats an operator chooses to limit the airframe to. They are a 717 driver in 121 pax ops. MidEx's 717's have had 88 seats in them since they showed up on property six years ago. With your benchmark argument above, I think it difficult to find a MidEx driver that thinks they've been over paid.

You try pushing off those rates on a NWA DC-9 driver...tell him he's over paid since his bird only has 100 seats in it!

If the MidEx pilots ratify those rates, which I doubt they will, they will be forever known as lowering the 717/DC-9 payscale to a new low!
 
Last edited:

Latest resources

Back
Top