Timing out 117

[twott driver]

What is everyone else's experience with timing out lately? Are companies asking pilots to entertain the 2 hour extension?

I've timed out a couple if times already this year, and not once was I asked to extend. I wasn't even consulted, just notified of a pairing change. Is this unusual?

I've never been a suspicious person, but if this seems to be an industry wide phenomenon, do you think it could be a effort on the part of the airlines to have more ammunition to lobby for a relaxation of the new regs?

 

[centralpilot]

They probably just don't want to do the paperwork with the FAA. I recently had to do a lot of work to get an FDP extension that was in my crew's best interest.

 

[Freebrd]

They're trying to blame it on this, but it's beginning to be publicized it's the pay & working conditions. Newbies just aren't going for it while there's plenty of qualified pilots out there. They just have to pay a decent wage to get 'em to accept employment.

 

[Rekks Inbound]

AWAC is saying the only legit reason to refuse the 2 hr extension is that you must be fatigued, which means you lose the pay (our fatigue policy is a no-question policy, but also a no-pay policy). It's getting interesting here right now.....

Peace.

Rekks

 

[wms]

We time out waiting for scheduling to answer the phone to do the extension, no exaggeration.

 

[Iflyamouse]

Companies don't want to use the 2-hour extension. The fine print says the company (not the pilot) has to disclose 1- why they had to use a 2-hour extension and 2- how they're going to prevent it from happening again. With that on record, they'll be held accountable to ensure it doesn't happen again. No company wants to manage that mess. The 2 hour extension just won't happen that often.

The 30 minute extension can often work in our favor ... like allowing a little extra time to get home on the last leg of a 4-day.

 

[urflyingme?!]

SkyWest assumes an extension from the acceptance of leg one flight release.

 

[wms]

That's not legal. Each leg is evaluated and signed for individually, and flight segment acceptance has nothing to so with FDP extension.

 

[sstearns2]

It is Skywest policy that you will always get a 2 hour extension unless you report fatigued. Also and on top of that they will not contact you if you are going to exceed your duty time limit. They are happy to let you exceed you duty limit if you do not notice. This happened to me a couple weeks ago and CS acted totally surprised that we were going to exceed our duty time limit. We need to be tracking our duty times ourselves. Stay safe and get to mainline.

Scott

 

[SpauldingSmails]

It is Skywest policy that you will always get a 2 hour extension unless you report fatigued. Also and on top of that they will not contact you if you are going to exceed your duty time limit. They are happy to let you exceed you duty limit if you do not notice. This happened to me a couple weeks ago and CS acted totally surprised that we were going to exceed our duty time limit. We need to be tracking our duty times ourselves. Stay safe and get to mainline.

Scott

Sheesh, so much for shared responsibility.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Sheesh, so much for shared responsibility.

It came to a scrretching halt when I told the dispatcher I didn't agree to the extension, wasn't going to sign in via ACARS. Done finished, right then and there, I never used the fatigue word, I did say that their manipulation of the block time on the release was fishy. I had both releases in my hand and told them so. If you man up and state your case, they notice, quickly....
We would have exceeded the FDP by quite a bit, even with the kitchen sink extension.

FAR 117.19, read it, know it, live it......

117.19 Flight duty period extensions.
(a) For augmented and unaugmented operations, if unforeseen operational circumstances arise prior to takeoff:
(1) The pilot in command and the certificate holder may extend the maximum flight duty period permitted in Tables B or C of this part up to 2 hours.
(2) An extension in the flight duty pe- riod under paragraph (a)(1) of this sec- tion of more than 30 minutes may occur only once prior to receiving a rest period described in ? 117.25(b).
(3) A flight duty period cannot be ex- tended under paragraph (a)(1) of this section if it causes a flightcrew mem- ber to exceed the cumulative flight duty period limits specified in 117.23(c).
(4) Each certificate holder must re- port to the Administrator within 10 days any flight duty period that ex- ceeded the maximum flight duty period permitted in Tables B or C of this part by more than 30 minutes. The report must contain the following:
(i) A description of the extended flight duty period and the cir- cumstances surrounding the need for the extension; and
(ii) If the circumstances giving rise to the extension were within the cer- tificate holder?s control, the corrective action(s) that the certificate holder in- tends to take to minimize the need for future extensions.
(5) Each certificate holder must im- plement the corrective action(s) re- ported in paragraph (a)(4) of this sec- tion within 30 days from the date of the extended flight duty period.
(b) For augmented and unaugmented operations, if unforeseen operational circumstances arise after takeoff:
(1) The pilot in command and the cer- tificate holder may extend maximum flight duty periods specified in Tables B or C of this part to the extent nec- essary to safely land the aircraft at the next destination airport or alternate airport, as appropriate.

 

[Mercyful Fate]

It came to a scrretching halt when I told the dispatcher I didn't agree to the extension, wasn't going to sign in via ACARS. Done finished, right then and there, I never used the fatigue word, I did say that their manipulation of the block time on the release was fishy. I had both releases in my hand and told them so. If you man up and state your case, they notice, quickly....
We would have exceeded the FDP by quite a bit, even with the kitchen sink extension.

FAR 117.19, read it, know it, live it......

117.19 Flight duty period extensions.
(a) For augmented and unaugmented operations, if unforeseen operational circumstances arise prior to takeoff:
(1) The pilot in command and the certificate holder may extend the maximum flight duty period permitted in Tables B or C of this part up to 2 hours.
(2) An extension in the flight duty pe- riod under paragraph (a)(1) of this sec- tion of more than 30 minutes may occur only once prior to receiving a rest period described in ? 117.25(b).
(3) A flight duty period cannot be ex- tended under paragraph (a)(1) of this section if it causes a flightcrew mem- ber to exceed the cumulative flight duty period limits specified in 117.23(c).
(4) Each certificate holder must re- port to the Administrator within 10 days any flight duty period that ex- ceeded the maximum flight duty period permitted in Tables B or C of this part by more than 30 minutes. The report must contain the following:
(i) A description of the extended flight duty period and the cir- cumstances surrounding the need for the extension; and
(ii) If the circumstances giving rise to the extension were within the cer- tificate holder?s control, the corrective action(s) that the certificate holder in- tends to take to minimize the need for future extensions.
(5) Each certificate holder must im- plement the corrective action(s) re- ported in paragraph (a)(4) of this sec- tion within 30 days from the date of the extended flight duty period.
(b) For augmented and unaugmented operations, if unforeseen operational circumstances arise after takeoff:
(1) The pilot in command and the cer- tificate holder may extend maximum flight duty periods specified in Tables B or C of this part to the extent nec- essary to safely land the aircraft at the next destination airport or alternate airport, as appropriate.

Bad ass man, bad ass...You tell them damn dispatchers who is in charge!!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Bad ass man, bad ass...You tell them damn dispatchers who is in charge!!

You just figgering this out?

 

[Mercyful Fate]

You just figgering this out?

figgering? Lay off watching lizard lick towing....

 

[PBRstreetgang]

figgering? Lay off watching lizard lick towing....

Why, I love the part where they drive the tow trucks over moon crickets.

 

[Freebrd]

Jenny you're such a clown! Putz too! :laugh:

I know I know, you have me on ignore and will have to log in as Jenny to read this. Such a putz! :smash:

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Jenny you're such a clown! Putz too! :laugh:

I know I know, you have me on ignore and will have to log in as Jenny to read this. Such a putz! :smash:

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