Tilton badly wants his payoff!! UA-USair combo

[Golden Falcon]

yah but the trains are backing into each other so the "engineers" can quietly slip away from the wreckage with their pockets full....

 

[Draginass]

If you think the acrimony was bad during the first attempt to combine UAL and U, wait until this new USAPA comes in and tries to dictate seniority terms to UAL ALPA with the AWA guys siding with UAL.

It'll probably be the second case of that new piece of crap seniority integration law being challenged in court.

Of course Tilton doesn't care because his objective wasn't to make a viable airline in the first place.

 

[Soulfly]

Had they stayed away, U would have certainly flopped with a big *THUD*. Now, their best move is to rebuff UA and watch them roll inverted and spin into the terrain. By merging all they'd be doing is taking a seat in first class for the ride down.

Yeah, If Parker goes ahead with this, I sure hope he has a better plan than Tilton......

Otherwise, I believe your post to be dead on.

 

[TWA Dude]

It'll probably be the second case of that new piece of crap seniority integration law being challenged in court.

Just curious why you think the new law which forces a process similar to ALPA Merger Policy is a piece of crap?

 

[Yuppyguppy]

I like Parker better known as DUI Doug...now with a name like that...we'll be just fine

 

[reepicheep]

If you think the acrimony was bad during the first attempt to combine UAL and U, wait until this new USAPA comes in and tries to dictate seniority terms to UAL ALPA with the AWA guys siding with UAL.

Seriously? I doubt the USAPA folks would ever get past the front door.

 

[On Your Six]

Amtrak is hiring....

 

[vetrider]

Seriously? I doubt the USAPA folks would ever get past the front door.

Possibly he meant that the east will behave even worse when they get the smackdown you speak of? I don't think he was serious, I don't think anyone with half a brain would seriously think usapa is going to dictate anything to Ual guys and gals.

 

[twinbeech]

I like Parker better known as DUI Doug...now with a name like that...we'll be just fine

I think Dougweiser has a better ring to it, don't you?

 

[Soulfly]

Possibly he meant that the east will behave even worse when they get the smackdown you speak of? I don't think he was serious, I don't think anyone with half a brain would seriously think usapa is going to dictate anything to Ual guys and gals.

Well, if you apply common sense, then I would agree.

The reality is, the self appointed leadership at USAPA thinks they are gods gift to aviation and the rest of us are rookies. Well at least the AWA pilots.

They will walk into negotiations demanding DOH, with restrictions. Acting like they are doing the UAL guys a favor.

 

[vetrider]

Well, if you apply common sense, then I would agree.

The reality is, the self appointed leadership at USAPA thinks they are gods gift to aviation and the rest of us are rookies. Well at least the AWA pilots.

They will walk into negotiations demanding DOH, with restrictions. Acting like they are doing the UAL guys a favor.

You are exactly right, they will certainly try, I agree. I was taking that as a given. Of course we all know how far they are gonna get though, ha ha ha. Well, all of us but them that is.

 

[ilinipilot]

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but this is UALs way of getting the DOJ to disallow the DL/NW merger. Since Glen cant get the merger he wants, he is proposing one he knows wont go through. Then he can whine to the DOJ and say if you approve the DL/NW deal you have to approve mine. Knowing they wont do both. That way nothing changes and he can either liquidate UAL, or try another merger with DL or NW again.

D

 

[Colonel Savage]

With apologies to "On Your Six"...

"UAL is keeping Tilton from his golf course... C'mon, the guy used to work for Chevron (oil) where everyone is making HUGE money and he probably misses that."

So Tilton, bigshot from Chevron, can't look at an airline, and bother to see if a little fuel hedging might be a good idea, since it's been going up since the Iraq war started five years ago.

So he sits on his b@tt, now he has:

3. Losing market share to the LCCs (i.e., SWA in Denver)

and:

4. Inefficient fleet very susceptible to oil cost swings (like most legacies)

Too busy $crewing with the employees to do his job, looks to me.

 

[T-Bags]

With apologies to "On Your Six"...

"UAL is keeping Tilton from his golf course... C'mon, the guy used to work for Chevron (oil) where everyone is making HUGE money and he probably misses that."

So Tilton, bigshot from Chevron, can't look at an airline, and bother to see if a little fuel hedging might be a good idea, since it's been going up since the Iraq war started five years ago.

So he sits on his b@tt, now he has:

3. Losing market share to the LCCs (i.e., SWA in Denver)

and:

4. Inefficient fleet very susceptible to oil cost swings (like most legacies)

Too busy $crewing with the employees to do his job, looks to me.

Just to clarify Tilton's "experience"...He was CEO of Texaco for a VERY brief period. Texaco had just had it's pants sued off and they needed a CEO for a ver brief period while they declared BK and got merged with Chevron. When the merge happened, he was given some BS job title like "double secret assistant CEO". When he left, he got a $5 million retirement deal. He had to give up that deal to come to UAL. So UAL, on the verge of BK and reneging on the pilots retirement, cut him a check to replace the one he gave up at Chevron, and he's considered the company his own piggybank since that time.

Glenn was NEVER a "real" CEO before UAL. He's a pretender. Calling Glenn a CEO for his time at Texaco is the same as calling an FO a Capt because he was the only one at the controls while the real Capt went to take a leak at Cruise...

 

[instructordude]

Just to clarify Tilton's "experience"...He was CEO of Texaco for a VERY brief period. Texaco had just had it's pants sued off and they needed a CEO for a ver brief period while they declared BK and got merged with Chevron. When the merge happened, he was given some BS job title like "double secret assistant CEO". When he left, he got a $5 million retirement deal. He had to give up that deal to come to UAL. So UAL, on the verge of BK and reneging on the pilots retirement, cut him a check to replace the one he gave up at Chevron, and he's considered the company his own piggybank since that time.

Glenn was NEVER a "real" CEO before UAL. He's a pretender. Calling Glenn a CEO for his time at Texaco is the same as calling an FO a Capt because he was the only one at the controls while the real Capt went to take a leak at Cruise...

You can count that as PIC time.

 

[waveflyer]

You can count that as PIC time.

Try it in an interview, see how long you last.

 

[Bringupthebird]

UAL is keeping Tilton from his golf course... C'mon, the guy used to work for Chevron (oil) where everyone is making HUGE money and he probably misses that.

Trump tried to make it in the airline business and got out. Warren Buffet got burned on his investment in US. Pritzkers took a bath with their investment in Braniff.

People who like money (real money) stay away from aviation. People who can siphon off cash are drawn to it like a moth to a flame.

 

[Jmoney]

PIC Time.....

You can count that as PIC time.

I guess that means you can place all that time you have spent on the street giving hand-jobs for crack as "PIC Time" as well, now doesn't it Instructorfool?

I mean, really-what is the difference between that experience and scabbing it out at Go-Jet ?