those retiring in the near future

[cforst513]

hey, do any of you have figures for how many of the baby boomers we're supposed to be losing? i have heard as many as 30,000 mandatory retirements by 2015. are there even 30,000 airline pilots TOTAL?! everyone is painting a dire picture of the industry, and yes, there are a lot of furloughees, but i doubt there are enough to cover the vast amounts of mandatory retirees, thus leaving openings for new guys.

what's the number out there? have you heard anything? are their retirements going to open up a lot of job openings if the airlines can get through this hard time?

 

[FN FAL]

**, jerk off.

 

[cforst513]

Keep masturbating, jerk off.

wow, your maturity astounds me. the main reason i was asking was b/c the person that told me this stat was a flight school rep, and i wanted to know if he was pulling my leg or not. don't get your panties in a bunch, fn fal. i'm not after your job. i am not in the industry, nor is anyone close to me, and i was wondering if any of the mature, intelligent pilots might be able to weigh in. if you're going to say what you did, don't waste my time.

 

[FN FAL]

wow, your maturity astounds me. the main reason i was asking was b/c the person that told me this stat was a flight school rep, and i wanted to know if he was pulling my leg or not. don't get your panties in a bunch, fn fal. i'm not after your job. i am not in the industry, nor is anyone close to me, and i was wondering if any of the mature, intelligent pilots might be able to weigh in. if you're going to say what you did, don't waste my time.

Uhhhh...spend your parent's 120,000 bucks and come on in. You'll be splaining how it's better than working in a cubicle, long before you know it. I dare ya...come on in.

 

[cforst513]

hmmm, a smart fellow, no doubt...

Uhhhh...spend your parent's 120,000 bucks and come on in. You'll be splaining how it's better than working in a cubicle, long before you know it. I dare ya...come on in.

first off, you ignoramus, i told you not to reply unless you had something helpful to add to the conversation, although this isn't much of a conversation. It's more just me getting tired of your useless comments and hoping someone with an iota of intelligence might chip in.

second, you don't know me, you don't know my socioeconomic background, nor do you know my plans for the future, so what are you basing your comment of me "spending my parent's 120,000 bucks" on? no matter what i decide to do, it's irrelevant where my funding comes from, but if you must know, any loans will be taken out in my name, as were my student loans to pay for my college education. if your ignorant self would click here you would see that it is not a cheap endeavor. granted, i get scholarship help, but it still isn't cheap. so by making ill-informed comments such as the one you just did, it does nothing to show me that you are even worth wasting my time.

and finally, if i choose to fly for a living and don't like it, let it be my discovery, not something a "jerk-off", to quote you, told me online. better to live and learn then be led astray by someone like yourself. thank you for the dare, by the way. i think that i'll take you up on it. however, your comment about me "splaining" how it's better working in a cubicle will be just that, a comment, not a reality. so i urge you to submit something that might answer my question, something with a bit of substance or intelligence. if you don't, then i am afraid i will waste no more of my time reading your asnine comments, nor will i lower myself to even reply to them. have a lovely night, and fly safe, my friend.

 

[Pugh]

To get back to your question, the retirement spiel is just B.S. If a flight school rep is telling you this, make sure you look real hard at the school and decide if you want to be thrown these marketing gimmicks. What school did the rep come from?

 

[cforst513]

Earlier this week, since i am still on christmas break from college, i went down to delta connection academy. i challenged this guy, telling him that i know of many other flight schools (not like Mesa and the others, but smaller ones) that will offer me everything for more than half the price of DCA. the only thing DCA has that the other schools don't is the backing of Delta, a.k.a. the word "Delta" in the name of the school. he got all defensive and then told me about how my career would be over before it started if i went to one of these schools and then became a freight dog for a few years to gain some hours. seems to me that a lot of pilots here did that and they are doing fine. hmmm, DCA guy seems like he's full of crap. while it's true that a lot of pilots will be retiring (i have a friend who has been a F/O for continental on the 737 and we were discussing his chances of making captain, and he rattled off some number about how the year before like 500 or 600 pilots were lost to retirement or health reasons, which seemed like a lot) i didn't think that it was of the sheer huge number that the sales rep quoted me. thanks for replying, pugh. i know i have to take what the reps say with a gargantuan grain of salt.

 

[414Flyer]

How do you know when a flight school rep is lying?

His/her lips are moving

 

[Hovernut]

DCA's a good school. You'll work your a$$ off and pay substantially more than I did in '99, but if you stick it out, you have a good chance at getting an airline job faster than freightdogging it. To save a chunk, I'd suggest you at least get your PPL beforehand, and maybe your instrument as well. Wherever you go, plan on long hours and hard work! Best of luck!

 

[414Flyer]

I concur. Do your private first somewhere else, make sure it is what you want to do, before handing over that chunk of change. It will save you money, and you dont want to hand it all over and then change your mind about flying, good luck getting it back.
Actually if possible, avoid handing it all over to begin with.

 

[qmaster3]

Keep masturbating, jerk off.

Hey wasn't that you on the boat with 500 of your close male friends

 

[flyinloki]

Personally i'm against somewhere that you can get a rating in 3 months or whatever it is. I've known a number of pilots that have come from other schools like that and don't know what a critical engine is. They just jam stuff in so quick. Some people are made for that type of training and most definetly aren't. But if you want an opinion, "YES", the guy is blowin some major smoke up your butt! There may be 30,000 pilots retiring by the year 2015 but there are who knows how many more out there waitin to take their place. Regionals, majors, cargo carriers have STACKS of resumes sitting out on their desk and yours better stick out in some fashion to even get a interview much less than a job. Then you think about the wages you actually make when you do get hired which is less than a bus driver in new york city......alot less. But if you love flying you will manage. My instructor asked me that once in my dedication to being a pilot and that it all depends on if you really LOVE flying or just like it. The point is there are thousands and thousands of pilots waiting to fill any slot that pops open in this industry. The students become the CFI's, then the CFI's become freight dogs or 135 pilots and then they become either corporate pilots or regional airline pilots, and then hopefully after years of dedication they make it to the majors UPS and FEDEX considered majors. Any time one person leaves one of these jobs to move up the ladder, another new fresh trainee fills the old slot very easily. That is until the industry stagnats and everyone sits right where they are until the cheese grinder starts grinding again. Thats the truth. 3 and a half years as a CFI teaches you alot, but i wouldn't change it for the world.

But DCA is blowin' smoke up your butt. All the major 141 schools do even the ones at the colleges......cough SIU cough

 

[cforst513]

Keep masturbating, jerk off.

well, at least he spelled it right. most people don't. you gotta give him props for that...

 

[pilotyip]

Massive retirements, another sure sign of the coming June 2007 hiring boom. BTW most TJ freight dogs skip the regional route and go directly to a national or major.

 

[Caveman]

DCA is an excellent school. When you complete the process you will be well prepared to enter the next phase of your flying career. Having said that, it has two major flaws. One, it isn't any better than any of the other well known 141 schools and, like the others, it costs WAY too much. In fact I know of at least one other school that will give you the same training under part 141, with more multi experience and includes housing for less than half of what DCA will cost. BTW, add a fudge factor of about 25% to whatever DCA says your costs will be.

The main advantage to DCA is the guaranteed interview. However, with XJet actually hiring pilots at around 1000 TT and 100ME the DCA carrot is quickly losing it's appeal.

If the hiring market continues to be repressed at the regional level then the DCA shortcut may be worth it, particularly if you are a mid life career changer. On the other hand, if hiring continues to improve at the regionals I'd recommend a younger person get their ratings at their local FBO or one of the 2nd tier 141 schools and save yourself about $30-40K. You'll still be able to get hired after about a year of flight instructing and that first year pay will be a whole lot more tolerable with $30 grand less debt on your back.

Good luck.

 

[cforst513]

DCA is an excellent school. When you complete the process you will be well prepared to enter the next phase of your flying career. Having said that, it has two major flaws. One, it isn't any better than any of the other well known 141 schools and, like the others, it costs WAY too much. In fact I know of at least one other school that will give you the same training under part 141, with more multi experience and includes housing for less than half of what DCA will cost. BTW, add a fudge factor of about 25% to whatever DCA says your costs will be.

would that school happen to mazzei, out in fresno, CA? if not, what school are you talking about? also, caveman, i've been meaning to PM you about your DCA experience (you graduated in '03, right?) i'll get to it soon, busy moving back to school now.

 

[Caveman]

It is Mazzei and I never attended DCA.