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This Should Help NWA Pilots..

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US Airways pilots give tentative nod to Embraer 190s
Tuesday October 4, 2005
US Airways pilots, with an eye on JetBlue, reached a tentative agreement with the airline to operate the Embraer 190 as part of mainline service at a rate that will make the jets competitive with the low-cost carrier that launched the 100-seater."We agreed on a pay rate as well as a restriction to fly only as mainline," Jack Stephan, a spokesperson for the US Airways pilots, told ATWOnline. "That one issue was sent out for member ratification with a strong endorsement to ratify the agreement."

The decision was part of an overall transition agreement between the pilot groups at America West and US Airways, both of which are represented by the Air Line Pilots Assn., as well as management, Stephan explained. The US Airways scope clause prohibited the operation of aircraft with more than 70 seats by Regional partners, but at one point the pilots agreed to allow 190 operations at the now-defunct MidAtlantic division although no 190 orders ever were placed, he said. The Embraer 170 flying originally planned for MidAtlantic has been shifted to partner Republic Airways and the aircraft sold to the independent airline.

"I think the world has changed since we first allowed the 190s to be flown at MidAtlantic," said Stephan. "There was permission to fly them outside the mainline. We had a chance to revisit that issue. It became clear that it was in the best interest of our pilot groups that the airplane not be flown anywhere but the mainline." He said the pilots tied the pay scale for the 190 to the size of the aircraft and the revenue it could generate.

"All we had to do was to point to JetBlue. They don't have a separate division," he noted. "If you are talking seat-mile costs, we can give you a competitive rate and let you fly that on the mainline. I think it's an improvement over what we had."

by Sandra Arnoult
 

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Doesn't anybody realize how much money could be saved if the 170/190 are flown by the same airline/pilots. Why create two sets of training for aircraft which are virtually identical? You better believe management knows this and that Republic has communicated it to them as well. Sorry the ball was already dropped.
 

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flyinglow said:
Doesn't anybody realize how much money could be saved if the 170/190 are flown by the same airline/pilots. Why create two sets of training for aircraft which are virtually identical? You better believe management knows this and that Republic has communicated it to them as well. Sorry the ball was already dropped.

You're right. The 170 should be flown by mainline as well.
 

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That was the point of the post, but just to play devil's advocate. Do really think that mainline is going to get it back? That ball was dropped and fell into a black hole a long time ago.
 

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I think you guys underestimate the visciousness of the hatchet squad in NWA mgmt these days. Would be good for the NWA guys if it came to fruition, however.
 

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To many goobers that want to fly bigger planes and make medium pay. All 170s should have gone to mainline and eventually would be more mainline jobs instead of regional jobs.
 

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Quite the bill of goods sold to the US pilots. Do they really expect to operate and of these aircraft until there are 93 f the 90-seaters operated by codeshares?


collective bargaining agreements will be modified to allow for a combined maximum of ninety-three (93) CRJ-900, or other aircraft within the seating and maximum take-off weight limits specified in Paragraph B above, to be operated in revenue service at any given time at Express Carriers​
 

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Cardinal said:
Quite the bill of goods sold to the US pilots. Do they really expect to operate and of these aircraft until there are 93 f the 90-seaters operated by codeshares?

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The 93 a/c includes the 25 E-170's at Republic. There are rumblings of bringing the 170 flying in house as well. Makes sense. fwiw
 
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Superpilot92 said:
All 170s should have gone to mainline and eventually would be more mainline jobs instead of regional jobs.

You conveniently omitted the CR7 and CR9.
 

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fly-by-wire said:
The 93 a/c includes the 25 E-170's at Republic. There are rumblings of bringing the 170 flying in house as well. Makes sense. fwiw

No rumblings, just do it, as more companies can pull this off, the easier it will be to say "well that is the way they do it at airline XYZ", and doesn't management love saying that to US?

People have put some ill out to the JB pilot group, but THEY are keeing this flying in house! Let USAirways, do it as well. AirTran flies the 717 in house.
For all the bashing of the LCCs they may have saved the legacies many more jobs if they adopt the theory of keeping all flying at ONE airline. Hmmmmmm.

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