This Just In... More Mesa Contract info

[Capt America]

you know you are right it was and hardly still is a non-issue.

The problem is you guys sold your soul to the devil. Now I hope that they rest of us can avoid the already growing fuits of your labor.

WE will never buckle to pressure, I don't make enough to worry about losing it!


CAPT.

 

[SanJuanPlebe]

Mesaba You'll Have to Shut Her Down

Oh, I love the tough talk on "holding the line."

You guys are gonna have to shut it down first. You aren't going to get ANYTHING from Mesaba. With Big Sky and Pinnacle, you'll be lucky to even get a contract! They'll just keep transfering the flying. You can thank our mutual friend, JO for that little trick. He learned it from Lorenzo.

Heck, even before the new Mesa contract, the Mesa (Air Midwest) BEECH FOs made more money than your AVRO FOs until they reached year 3.

Check it out! No rhetoric, just fact. But you won't hear Whiskey Driver talking about Mesaba dragging the industry down.....

Your MEC sold you down the river before. And what's worse, Tom Wycor, who voted the previous concessions in, is YOUR MEC CHAIRMAN! Don't you guys learn? Hell, even Wycor will tell you Mesa did the best they could...will this man lead you to shut down the airline? What is your motto? Gave in '96 due in '02? Maybe it will be changed to "Lucky to be running in '04?"

Not trying to pick a fight, just can't stand the hypocrisy!

 

[jetdriven]

notice whiskey driver never answered me about the alter ego-problem. You airwis guys always have an issue with how we handled it but cannot come up with a better solution!

 

[Wiskey Driver]

Actually jetdriven I did answer your question, you just didn't like the answer you recieved...

WD.

 

[sf3boy]

SanJuanPlebe,
You were close, but not quite on target. Wycor was not the MEC chairman when the every single FO, current and future, at Mesaba were sold out. But that guy is on the current negotiating comittee. Wycor took over after that little mishap.

You are right about the Avro. Pay rates on that thing are a joke even on the captain scale. If I was at AW I would be mad as hell at Mesaba for what they agreed to.

There are a couple of things that Mesaba pilots have left to bargain with. We are still big enough to cause serious illness to NW if we go away completely. Also, NW wants all their regionals to be about the same size so they can continue to shift flying depending on who's contract is next. Pinnacle will get to do the same dance that we are in a few years. Alot of them won't admit it or don''t realixe it now, but just wait.

I have already started job hunting so I can go earn 25K when Mesaba closes the doors for good. Maybe I can become a teacher....

 

[jetdriven]

Actually jetdriven I did answer your question, you just didn't like the answer you recieved...

WD.

really?? I read up and down this post and the best I could find ws "hold the line bro"

can you please repeat what you would do here at mesa given the alter-ego carrier??

 

[Wiskey Driver]

The answer I gave you was on another post. What I said in that one was use all of your resources and if worse came to worse which it obviously did then you walkout, strike anything to save the dignity of the profession. I asked you before when you said the JO was shifting the flying to freedom "why does he even need you and or mesa at all???IF it's that easy why are you still employed? The truth is he does need you and if you walked off planes wouldn't be flying, however you guys were, are under the impression that if you walked you could be replaced in days, last time I checked it took atleast 1 1/2 months to get a person trained and ready to start IOE. Let me draw your attention to Comair two years ago, they walked and planes don't fly, instructors don't teach companies lose millions a day. Now if you guys had done that this conversation would not be taking place, instead I need to go vote on a TA at my company that is really driven from your contract, that vote will be a HELL NO!!!

BTW did you get a no alter ego clause in your new contract?? If not you really were fuked...

WD.

 

[FlyDeltasJets]

I have to admit I get a real kick out of these mesa threads, for a couple of different reasons. The first, and most ironic, is that to a man, ALL of the guys complaining are the ones who are doing mainline flying simply because they are cheaper than mainline pilots. Then they accuse mesa of, in effect, doing the same thing that they have done. Don't feel bad. I did it too. However, I didn't complain about others doing the same thing I was doing.

The second reason is that I have been mentioning for years the effect the low pay at SWA, Jetblue and Airtran are having on our contracts, and most call me an arrogant a-hole in response. Somehow, it's only bad when a commuter undercuts its competitors, but ok when mainline carriers do it. I don't see the difference.

I agree that it sucks when other pilots get flying (or profits) because they undercut your salary. I wish all of us luck in any upcoming negotiations. This profession is in a dangerous time.

Good luck, and fight hard.

 

[Intruder One]

Amen...brother!

 

[B1900DFO]

FDJ,
Your post was right on. Jet blue, SWA, Air Tran, etc. are all well run airlines but unfortunately they are replacing great pilot jobs with mediocre to good jobs.

 

[Intruder One]

Amen again...brother!

 

[Jet_Dreamer]

Jet Blue maybe a well run airline. but how long you think that will last? i believe their profit? is due to the fact they pay cheap lease prices for those 'bus' a/c they fly. as long as the low lease prices exist, they will continue to be a 'well run airline'.
of course this is just my opinion.

 

[climbhappy]

mesa contract and low fare

lately, i passed on the rampant number of posts degrading mesa pilots......and their TA...well as a cc airer, i have a job now......
oh yes and I was union too...

why don't you cuss ALPA for telling us to vote yes.

THERE IS NOW WAY YOU CAN ASSIGN AND BLAME MESA PILOTS FOR A DOWNTURN WHICH HAS CAUSED TWO MAJOR BKS AND HAS THREATENED TWO MORE.

Now, the pilots see playing ball is the wiser move.....

let me state any mgt team such as Cartys' and Seigels' , who greed and greed inspired lawyers, advised them to fund their pensions, should be fired and prosecuted.

Really, if you think in a landscape of changing markets,customer preferences,resistance to price gouging (i.e. Charlotte had second highest fares in the US during 2000 and 01 during height of air travel demmand) that Mesa pilots

.........are the single and only reason that your job is or will be affected in some adverse way is

1)shortsighted
2)maniacal
3)ignorant
4)niave
5)buttheaded
6)immature
7)signs of brainwashing
8)evidence you grass needs cutting
9)indication your company is poorly managed
10) a sign that since the continued bitching does nothing to help
WHERE'S YOUR SOLUTION TO ALL THIS.

HOW DO YOU KNOW MESA WON'Y BE BANKRUPT IN THREE YEARS AND WOULDN'T THAT HELP YOUR CAUSE?

 

[mckpickle]

Re: mesa contract and low fare

1)shortsighted
2)maniacal
3)ignorant
4)niave
5)buttheaded
6)immature
7)signs of brainwashing
8)evidence you grass needs cutting
9)indication your company is poorly managed
10) a sign that since the continued bitching does nothing to help
WHERE'S YOUR SOLUTION TO ALL THIS.

HOW DO YOU KNOW MESA WON'Y BE BANKRUPT IN THREE YEARS AND WOULDN'T THAT HELP YOUR CAUSE?

Up next on David Letterman, the Mesa Top Ten pilot attributes.

Mesa wont be bankrupt because it has been financed on the backs of the pilots.