This is the new Southwest

[shagadelic]

That SAN flight is new service that is mainly providing service to the cruise lines once a week. That's why the weird schedule. We have yet to introduce daily service to SAN from DEN.

 

[Falcon Jet 1]

yonited is taking Swa out baby!

 

[chase]

The sequence for SWA in gauging routes doesn't always but has in the past fallen into this type of track:

• if it involved Vegas, then they would do charters to build name recognition & judge the local response...guaranteed money & yet got the message out...if you like us, we'll do regular service.
• If it is a new city, a new city pair will start up on predictable routes that are usually to major hubs to allow the max number of connections
• If it is to other non-major connect cities, then look for Sat only or Sunday only flights for some time....these can come & go but generally then develop to M-F service or M-F & Sunday service
• finally 7 days a week....SWA doesn't do seasonal expansions & contractions (customers don't like that, particularly business folks)...SWA sells full fare flights to 40% of customers...that's a higher percentage than most airlines but our highest fares are lower so a walkup fare is more attractive to more folks
• Looking for guaranteed routes, i.e. DEN-SAN with the cruise business is just good business sense & that will prosper....a Sat only flight fits perfect into many of the cruise lines schedules also I suspect (our guys generally do their homework)
• Our revenue guys do a great job of picking & choosing their battles & generate the most bang for the buck of any other revenue folks....they are huge part of our success, all employees owe them a big thanks!!!

 

[flyguppy]

Pulling the route is "prospering"?

• Looking for guaranteed routes, i.e. DEN-SAN with the cruise business is just good business sense & that will prosper....a Sat only flight fits perfect into many of the cruise lines schedules also I suspect (our guys generally do their homework)

Ummm..........."will prosper"?

The route is being dropped in the next week or two. I guess that falls into your "those come and go" bullet point, eh?

 

[Mach 80]

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yonited is taking Swa out baby!
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Reminds me of the same stuff I heard when the old United Shuttle got cranked up out West and tried to compete with SWA in various point to point flying. Didn't take long for them to give up and convert the Shuttle into just a hub feeder.

 

[Bringupthebird]

According to my history books....PSA had already been aquired and merged into US Air in 1988. The US Air West Coast cutback happened in 1990-1991. Thats when WN capitalized on that market. As I recall, the US air cost structure wouldn't support what the west coast consumer was willing to pay for a ticket.

In STL, WN already had a presence there before AA took over the TWA operation. Ever since the AA cutback in operations there, SWA has remained pretty steady....and has not added too many flights in STL.....but they do now fly STL-DAL. )

I don't think WN started its major expansion in BWI until US began pulling out to consolidate in PHL.

MDW expansion came after the original Midway's demise and the city decided to upgrade the airport.

The point is that WN does not ahve a history of being able to walk in wherever and whenever they choose and declare themselve the new sheriff in town. They haven't done it in MSP, DTW, MEM, SEA, ATL or EWR. They may have miscalculated the demise of PHL

 

[flyn96]

Problem is SWA can only grow for so long. Yea you can spread your cost among more ASM but that can only be stustained for so long. I think the cherry tree is getting thin on fruit.

 

[Falcon Jet 1]

Swa is going to die soon, then all of the real airlime pilots can get their payrates back, all hail to the demise of SWA. You insinuate that all of the troubles are attributed to Swa, all we have done is grow about an average of 8% per year, but it is not the fault of the nimrod managers running your airline trying to line their pocketbooks for the downfall of the industry. Get over it, you took a shii--y contract and now you live with it. Your predecessors are rolling over in their graves with what you gave up instead of holding the line and taking one for the profession. How many scabs do you have at yonited again?

 

[Hvy]

Boyd is a homo. He has UA stock.

The village idiot speaks again.....

 

[Ty Webb]

The route is being dropped in the next week or two. I guess that falls into your "those come and go" bullet point, eh?

Maybe if you think of that route as SAN-DEN instead of DEN-SAN you will figure out why it would be dropped at then end of March.

Until then, how about you refrain from calling others stupid, Stupid?

 

[chase]

I thought it interesting to find out that SWA was pulling a route in DEN already. DEN-SAN going to 1 day/week service.

My, that was quick.

Actually it is on the schedule through 9 June's schedule....unsure what will happen after that....there are no non-stops listed after that....may have to do with aircraft flows...nonstops come & go...the only place that doesn't show connects between SWA cities is DAL due to the WA....with the summer months coming up I would venture to say we are moving that aircraft to some other more beneficial route for the summer months...again we aren't pulling out of any city or greatly reducing the capability to get to a city, the only non-stop we've had but odds are I'd win the bet to say that we don't do it again within a year....any takers on that bet? Thanks for plugging Southwest though, it is very nice of you....

 

[SWA/FO]

The village idiot speaks again.....

Hvy, everyones idiot speaks again, out of no where and out of turn.

 

[Hvy]

Hvy, everyones idiot speaks again, out of nowhere and out of turn.

I'll give you credit there....you recognize your limitations.