The West walks out...

[ALGFLYR]

Word from CLT today says the West has walked out of negotiation meetings with the East in the "Lockdown".....

 

[ALGFLYR]

Well, now not sure what happened... It was said in a CLT meeting that the West walked... However, just found this on the ALPA board...

Joint Statement from the East and West Steering
Committees​

February 8, 2008​

The East and West Steering Committees met at a neutral location for ten days to explore consensual solutions to our respective needs. The talks were cordial, and each side now has a clearer understanding of each other's issues. Talks concluded on Thursday afternoon. At this time, no further meetings are scheduled, but talks may resume at a later date.​

 

[General Lee]

Did the East guys try to beat up the West guys like your mechanics did a year or so ago? (were they mechanics or rampers?) Didn't Dougwiser go out to PHL and pretend he was a new ramper and some of the East rampers got on him and pushed him around a bit, until later in the day when he announced to them he was the CEO? That took some cajones.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[iflyhigh]

It is my understanding that nobody, not even MEC reps, know what is going on in the steering committee meetings.

I would take anything, any East or West MEC says with a grain of salt.

 

[Turtle21]

It is my understanding that nobody, not even MEC reps, know what is going on in the steering committee meetings.

I would take anything, any East or West MEC says with a grain of salt.

Undoubtedly, anyone who has ever paid dues to ALPA knows to take a grain a salt with anything they say.

I would guess there are a small select number who know exactly what is going on and know the time line too.

 

[johnsonrod]

Did the East guys try to beat up the West guys like your mechanics did a year or so ago? (were they mechanics or rampers?) Didn't Dougwiser go out to PHL and pretend he was a new ramper and some of the East rampers got on him and pushed him around a bit, until later in the day when he announced to them he was the CEO? That took some cajones.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Wow - I have more respect for that boozer if he really did that. Unfortunately I fly to PHL quite a bit and I encounter those thugs frequently. It seems like a mafia training ground.

 

[Turtle21]

Word from CLT today says the West has walked out of negotiation meetings with the East in the "Lockdown".....

It is a shame that in all of this, pilots forget the real issue is that ALPA walked out.

 

[ultrarunner]

I'm confused. What is there to negotiate? How to implement the binding award?

I'm not sure what the talk are about.

 

[ALGFLYR]

Grog....

Your point is well taken in the other thread. I was going on a post from the ALPA board about the West walking... I saw the update on the talks and immediately re-posted better information, as you can see, my two posts are only 6 minutes apart. I never thought about changing the thread title, didn't realize you could do that. I tried now but cannot get an edit function on any of my original posts....

 

[johnnyb]

From the East MEC update:
After nine days of talks between the US Airways and America West Steering Committees, the America West contingent has chosen to stand down talks

What is the West take?

 

[TWA Dude]

Our updates didn't specify who walked out but I don't see the relevence anyway. Since one side wanted concessions from the other it's no surprise an agreement couldn't be reached. How about binding arbitration?

 

[johnsonrod]

From the East MEC update:
After nine days of talks between the US Airways and America West Steering Committees, the America West contingent has chosen to stand down talks

What is the West take?

I work for neither side but I have a question. Why agree to binding arbitration in the first place if you are not going to follow the eventual ruling? I don't get it...

 

[Prog 2/2]

Word from CLT today says the West has walked out of negotiation meetings with the East in the "Lockdown".....

Why should we now have any obligation to negotiate that which was previously negotiated, mediated, and arbitrated?

 

[ferlo]

It is a shame that in all of this, pilots forget the real issue is that ALPA walked out.[/quo

I have to disagree completely with this statement. It was the East the refused to negotiate anything but a doh staple job for over two years. It was their side that failed to impress nicalau. They signed up for binding arbitration, they didn't like the award and now they're going to burden the profession more with their little bitchy tirade. If ALPA failed at all, it was in not presenting the list in a timely manner. Prater, shirked his reponsibilities on that one.

 

[PCL_128]

Our updates didn't specify who walked out but I don't see the relevence anyway. Since one side wanted concessions from the other it's no surprise an agreement couldn't be reached. How about binding arbitration?

Would you refuse any sort of fence agreement that helped out the East pilots in an attempt to settle this amicably rather than destroying the entire company with uSAPa? I realize that the Nic award was binding, but your concern should be with cleaning up the mess at this point. If a settlement can be made that would be beneficial to both sides, then screaming "Nic is binding" over and over again would be a bad move.