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Actually, IMHO, the ruination of the airline industry is only a symptom of a larger problem in American business in general.

These days, business schools teach that there is no money to be had in ownership, but simply in the buying and selling of speculative assets.

The common catchphrase of management these days is "stockholder value". But the truth of the matter is that there are no real "signficant" stockholders other than the institutional investors, made big with the advent of mutual and private equity funds.

These funds do not make money with the slow accumulation of value, as might happen with a company interested in the growth of intrinsic value, but rather, these "stockholders" only make money with the stock "churns" in their funds. It is this overriding factor that causes most of corporate America to focus on short term principles that cause miniscule changes in stock price.

Go in, rape and pillage the company, cause the stock to churn a few quarter points, sell and move on. Management decisions have no consequenses in the long term, because there IS no long term. By the time anything comes back to haunt the company, the stockholders, and most of management are long, long gone.

As PJ O'Rourke once said of the colonization era of the 1500-1800's (paraphrased) , "There are two types of colonies: Settlement colonies and exploitation colonies. Settlement colonlies are where Quakers, Mormons and other similar types go to start a new place, free of the interference of the past, and to create long term institutions. Exploitation colonies are where the idiot sons of weathy barons go to extract as much short term weath from a place as is possible, and then split back to the Old Country to enjoy their booty. This is why some places are a reasonably nice places to live, like New England or Salt Lake, and other places are complete **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**holes, like Haiti."

This similar thinking is relected in today's coporate America. There are places where management/ownership is interested in creating value and long term viability, while others have fallen prey to simple exploitaion.

The worst thing about it is that business schools all teach, and public opinion reflects, that this is fine and dandy, no matter the consequenses.

Nu
 
Green said:
smellthejeta,



No I think the article meant the average controller made 161k last year. They did not narrow the "criteria" they took every controller in the country and averaged out their earnings. This was not a study of the average controller at New York it was a country wide study. The TOP controllers (New York) supposedly earned over 200k, I think somewhere around 230. I don't know where you could ever find a study that said the average airline pilot makes 200k, even when you had a few making 300k, the vast majority of us were making well below that level. It doesn't seem like there are many controllers making below 100k...

Well... If the average controller really made 161k last year, then they had to do it with significant overtime. That would be like factoring open time into your annual salary.

For controllers, there are some other factors, like cost of living (can be as high as an additional 20% in NY and SF), night premium, holiday premium, etc that aren't "advertised" in the pay bands. Can you please tell me which facility pays over $200k to their controllers? I want to work there.

I know what the vast majority of you guys make, and that's the reason I'm not pursuing a professional flying career. I'd rather push tin for $150 then fly an airplane for $35k. After awhile, it *is* about the money.
 
smellthejeta-

Hey I just re-read that article and it said total compensation including benefits. I misread it the first time. Looks like they are putting a dollar figure on medical, retirement, etc. Still pretty good numbers though.
 
Some other colonies were "settled" by convicts and indentured servants.

Some colonies were resettled by escaped or emigrated slaves, i.e. the Bahamas, Jamiaca, Haiti.

Haiti was a French colony. That might explain a lot.
 
Green said:
smellthejeta-

Hey I just re-read that article and it said total compensation including benefits. I misread it the first time. Looks like they are putting a dollar figure on medical, retirement, etc. Still pretty good numbers though.

I'm curious what that dollar figure is, and how they figured retirement into it. The numbers are decent, I'll be looking at gross annual pay of over six figures by my 30th birthday (hopefully), which is not something I would realistically expect froom a flying career.

If it makes you feel any better, they're screwing us hardcore at OK City now. Used to be a daily per diem of $60 plus a prorated annual salary based on 24 grand a year... They took the per diem and now pay less than $9/hr. Cause to beeotch but nothing that surprises me. Took our medical benefits away too.

Which reminds me, are you guys "real" employees in training? Do you get medical and what not?
 

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