the right road to a career in NJ ?

[theIrishflyboy]

awwww

 

[RNObased]

IMHO, there is no such thing as a SIC in single engine turbine.... Either you are PIC or you are a pax. That being said, you need PIC, jet or turbine multi.
The people who have the most trouble training here don't have any jet time and it shows in the way they fly. Wash out rate in the sim is much higher too.

 

[theIrishflyboy]

Actually under 91 subpart K there is an sic and pic requirement for us, so there is a 2 crew environment.
thanks for the info though

 

[NJA Capt]

I agree. Get the multiengine time. ME turbine preferable, but not essential. With respect to the post above. Several C402 Canyon pilots are here and they have done fine.

Good luck.

 

[theIrishflyboy]

thanks...

 

[RNObased]

Actually under 91 subpart K there is an sic and pic requirement for us, so there is a 2 crew environment.
thanks for the info though

That is for your operation. Interviewers might not look at it in that light. I know I won't be counting that toward my total time if I was in your shoes.

This is what people told me when I was building time. Does the aircraft have to be flown with two people under it's type certificate?? If the answer is yes, then you are SIC, if the answer is no, then you are a Passenger with privilges.

 

[KeroseneDream]

Hmm...I'd expand the horizon to type of operation. I agree that SIC in a caravan or PC-12 ain't much when trying to qualify for FedEx, but by that rationale Part 121 1900 SIC time should not be logged as TT, as the type only requires one pilot. That would DQ a lot of current NJ pilots from the hiring mins.

This 91k stuff is still pretty new so it will take some time for a precedent to be set by recruiters. As they are really the ones who decide the path of our careers. For the original poster though, I would get some ME time preferably PIC, though 121 SIC with the possibility of upgrade or turbine PIC is the best.

Some self-evaluation is due here. Putting on a nice shirt and working the radios with no actual responsibility regardless of what the book says you can log it as ain't crap. Be a pilot. I don't mean to sound harsh, but there is a lot of people running around touting how much jet or turbine time they have when it's not worth the ink it's written in, you don't want to be lumped in to that group.

Good Luck.

 

[theIrishflyboy]

thanks kerosene...advice well taken...the right seat is just a stepping stone !

 

[Diesel]

Hmm...I'd expand the horizon to type of operation. I agree that SIC in a caravan or PC-12 ain't much when trying to qualify for FedEx, but by that rationale Part 121 1900 SIC time should not be logged as TT, as the type only requires one pilot. That would DQ a lot of current NJ pilots from the hiring mins.

Dude what are you talking about? 1900 SIC in non SIC airplane would disqualify you at NJ too. No pilot is working here with that kind of messed up time.

The regionals are the ones taking the 500 hour wonders. Not NJ or any frac.

 

[flywest]

I believe the "1900" he was referring to in his post was actually meant to be "Beech 1900". Agreed that 1900 hrs of SIC time in a baron/caravan/PC12 won't do much good for your cause here (or anywhere), but I believe he was referring to 121 SICs in the Beech 1900.

 

[Nightmare67]

The "quality" of your time is irrelevant if you dont meet the minimums for the job. Get the minimums, apply, and then work on "quality" time to help push your resume into the top of the pile.

Good luck! You'll get there.

 

[peghead]

Hey Diesel,

Put down the beer and read the post sober before the reply!!!!! Otherwise I might come to Beantown and take you to school on how to behave when your totally wasted.

 

[RNObased]

Hmm...I'd expand the horizon to type of operation. I agree that SIC in a caravan or PC-12 ain't much when trying to qualify for FedEx, but by that rationale Part 121 1900 SIC time should not be logged as TT, as the type only requires one pilot. That would DQ a lot of current NJ pilots from the hiring mins.

Ok Kerosene, it has been a while since I flew the 1900, but if I remember correctly it required 2 (two) pilots on the type certificate. If it was operated with just one pilot it was on a single pilot wavier.

 

[Going2Baja]

With 2000tt I'd say it's time to turn your SIC into PIC in the same type aircraft. Find other operators with the same plane and work that left seat time. After logging some legal PIC parlay that into some multi PIC or turbine/jet SIC with the chance of multi PIC.

However you do it - don't give up and keep networking!!

 

[Diesel]

actually i wasn't wasted. Bored in a hotel room.

Sorry i thought he ment logging sic in a plane that isn't required for sic.

 

[NJA Capt]

...if I remember correctly it required 2 (two) pilots on the type certificate.

Nope. Sorry, It is certificated for single pilot. Yes, even the D model.
On page 36 for the 1900D.

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgMakeModel.nsf/0/56c6439b7704dd6d86257076004f798f/$FILE/A24CE.pdf

 

[Fozzy]

Nope. Sorry, It is certificated for single pilot. Yes, even the D model.
On page 36 for the 1900D.

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgMakeModel.nsf/0/56c6439b7704dd6d86257076004f798f/$FILE/A24CE.pdf

Only if you have the single pilot sign off on your type. So two pilots are required for most BE1900 ops.

 

[KeroseneDream]

Only if you have the single pilot sign off on your type. So two pilots are required for most BE1900 ops.

Apparently my lack of explanation of the Beech 1900 has sidetracked this thread. So I will clarify.

The Beech 1900 is type certified as a single pilot aircraft. Many Cargo outfits operate it as such. There is no such thing as a "single-pilot signoff", only an "SIC required" restriction. Part 121 requires two pilots for passenger operations, thus most air carrier training programs are set up only to train two pilot crew operations. So when a type rating is issued under one of the training programs the "SIC required" limitation is placed on the ATP certificate. This has nothing to do with the type certification of the aircraft, only to do with items tested on a checkride. Another example of this training restriction is many 121 operaters place "Circle to land in VFR only" restrictions on a jet type rating on an applicants ATP certificate. This is not a restriction based on operating limitations of the aircraft, but of the training program.

I am not as familiar with the 135 passenger carrying regs as I am the 121. My understanding though, is that carraige of passengers requires either two pilots or an auto-pilot in lieu of the second pilot. Thus an aircraft carrying pax lacking an autopilot would require two pilots.

My original reply was intended mainly to make the point that what time can legally go in the book vs. what a company may actually view as quality time are two very different things. A subject that has been discusses at length in previous FlightInfo threads.

Sorry for the hijack and I hope I have not created any further confusion.

 

[Fozzy]

Sorry about the single pilot sign off wording. A bit of slang. I have BTDT with the mighty D in 121 land. Most of the IP's had the SIC required removed from their type at our upstate outfit. Just trying to make a point in not so many words. But I guess there are just to many legal types out there.
Mine says SIC required if anyone cares, I am not to be trusted alone in the D.
As for all the rest, what you said.

 

[Grizz]

Fozzy,

All you needed to do was spend a little time in cargoland. SIC required's got cleared in a nanosecond. I've done both 1900 and Metro as single pilot flying freight.

To the youngsters out there - take the 1900 any day. The Metro hasn't earned it's bad reputation for nothing.

 

[Fozzy]

Oh no I don't. I avoided that for a reason. Losing that SIC req did not seem to be a biggie for our IP's. A matter of convience for CommutAir to get planes around and do training. Now that was interesting. V1 cuts in the plane bla bla bla. I don't miss any of that crap. That is what the sim is for.
Anyways, I have become a sissy in my "old" age. Give me a second pilot and quality work rules. I want to get home at the end of the tour.

Howz CMH treating you? They going to let you out to the line soon???

 

[Grizz]

At the end of January, I return to the line.

CMH is not too bad for being CMH. I'm enjoying being the union rep at Bridgeway to help solve problems. Most times, I get to solve problems for pilots. Sometimes, I solve problems for NetJets.

I like that NetJet's management has finally realized that we can actually help them. I've also noticed a big change in attitude amongst the folks there - they realize that partnership with the pilots is the only way to go. Greg and I are there to help them focus on that aspect of the business.