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the new "scab"...

All kidding and flame baiting aside, that's an interesting question.

Of course a scab is someone who crosses a picket line and flies struck work. Period.

Lots of people want to broaden the term to include anyone who makes less than anyone else.

Both are seemingly outdated and/or unfair. To simply obtain the ability to legally strike is next to impossible. It happens, but its extremely rare. The tables are severely tilted in management's favor. And everyone rememberes the "airline dispute/conflict resolution act" proposed not that long ago? It didn't happen last time, but is always on the back burner on the Hill. The issue is alive and well and waiting to resurface. One stroke of the pen in DC and there will be no more airline strikes ever. Then what happens to the definition? Will there no longer be such a thing?

So if a scab is a strike breaker, and all strikes are illegal, then there will be no more scabs. This hardly seems like a good definition and application of the term. On the other hand, is any pilot group who accepts pay and working conditions less than the top tier a scab in spirit? That doesn't make sense either.

Freedum A listers are a grey area under the best of circumstances, but GJ does seem to have crossed the blurry line if its true that they are performing flying that contractually belongs to TSA pilots. I see no difference between crossing a picket line and blatently vioilating another pilot group's binding contract and simply doing the flying when there is no legal strike picket line to cross. The original spirit and intent of the word was to perminantly disparage and label those among us who will stop at nothing to stab others in the back for their own gain. Crossing a picket line certainly fits that definition, but so does outright violating someone else's contract. I see no difference there.

Now the GJ example depends on the language in the TSA contract. IF TSA truly owns that flying, then GJ pilots are most definately, without a doubt, scabs. If the TSA contract permits this sort of alter ego flying, as dispicable as that is for someone to do it even if its allowed, GJ pilots are merely back stabbing bottom feeders (like freedum A listers) and not scabs, by any definition.
 
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I personally carry a copy of the scab list and the Freedumb A list in my vehicle. That way, when I'm driving home and I see a pilot hitchhiking because he can't afford a car on his horrific wages, I pull over.

Me: "Are you looking to jumpseat on my Nissan?"

Pilot: "Why, yes I am"

Me: "Okay, let me see your ID"

Simple enough. If he's on the scab list, I just pull away.:cool:
 
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Funny how these "union" clowns all want someone else to give up their ability to earn a living so they can prosper, but they all continue to allow the continual degradation of the profession in the name of getting a few more jets and an upgrade.

Pot, meet kettle.

A350
 
I would say that based on your definition that Mesa gets less than ASA, Mesa Pilots are SCABS, but wait, ASA and all the other Regionals get less than Horizon so all other regionals are SCABS.....all regionals are accepting less pay than Frontier and Jet Blue thus they are all lowering the bar. Frontier and Jet Blue and Air Tran are accepting less pay than Delta, United, Continental so than Frontier, Jet Blue, and AirTran must be SCABS. I suppose with your logic than If UPS is the top dog in pilot pay than any other pilot accepting less pay is a SCAB because they are lowing the bar for the UPS pilots because management will eventually say your counterparts are only getting this much so we have to cut your pay.

I say that if you have a passion to fly than don't worry about what everyone
else is getting paid and enjoy your passion.....If you don't love to fly...get out now and let those of us that do have a chance.
 
How about "Taint". You know, they taint the industry and can be compared to that part of skin between the sack and cornhole. That's duality if I ever saw it.
 
RS,

Maybe you should check airlinepilotpay.com before you say that F9 folks are accepting less pay than the legacys for flying the BUS.

JR

Get your facts straight
 
American Airlines Airbus FO......117 per hour....Capt....171 per hour.
not sure what F9 means but am sure they accept less than AA's Airbus pay.
 
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rspilot said:
American Airlines Airbus FO......117 per hour....Capt....171 per hour.
not sure what F9 means but am sure they accept less than AA's Airbus pay.

F9 flys A318-19-20 While AA flys the A300. Apples to Oranges my friend.
 
Look out from under the Legacy Tent now and again!

:erm: sorry to highjack.....

RS,

That’s right… lets start comparing wide body pay to narrow body pay to make some convoluted point that has nothing to do with your original “I’m better than you are na na na” point. You made reference to some imaginary world where F9 pays their pilots less than the legacies to fly. We only fly narrow body BUSes. When you compare F9’s hourly rate to the legacies (in the airbus narrow body category), F9’s is higher.

AA F9 NWA UAL USA
737 A319 A320 A320 A320
Capt FO Capt FO Capt FO Capt FO Capt FO

12yr 158 108 157 94 137 93 129 88 138 91


:0 Darn the lack of formatting!

Next thing to consider is the A & B plans. Well there F9 is lacking. Although, even when you ad the so-called A, B, and even the latest C plan in to the mix, the numbers don’t get much better. Even so; F9’s pilot group is addressing this and it has yet to be decided by FAPA (the F9 union) and the company whom have been in negotiations for close to two years and are wrapping it up. I might ad that the talks are amicable.


Now start comparing apples and oranges again. That's OK I'll let it go this time.:cool:


JR


P.S. By the way… What’s it like to get paid $25 more an hour to fly the wide body 300. ;)


Remember, arrogance is the futility of a person who has to prove themselves on a daily basis. Most people in the US don’t even know who F9 is. Just think what could happen if they did.
 
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