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Cowboy75

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The take from Brett Snyder of bnet.com. Welcome to our nightmare.

If you’re looking for a model for a dysfunctional pilot group, you should look no further than the US Airline Pilots Association (USAPA). That union represents the combined US Airways (US East) and America West (US West) pilot groups, but its existence has been marred by constant fighting between the two sides. Now, the US East pilots have tired of fighting others and have no turned on each other. This is an absolutely miserable situation.

The USAPA was formed after the US East pilots decided they didn’t like the results of seniority arbitration (the Nicolau Award). So, they decided to toss ALPA off the property and create the USAPA, an independent union. The US West pilots couldn’t do anything to stop them because the US East pilots had the majority. You can read more about the US Airways/America West pilot fight in a previous post.

Since the USAPA took over, their behavior has become increasingly questionable. In regards to the company, it appears their goal is to oppose anything management supports regardless of whether it is good or bad for them. That’s the only way I can explain their opposition to the slot swap with Delta in New York and Washington. Their latest efforts have been against closing down the Las Vegas hub. Ok.

But now, the union has really lost it. There is now a ton of infighting going on within the US East pilot ranks and things are getting very ugly. USAPA Executive Vice President Dave Ciabattoni turned in his resignation from the organization’s leadership team before Christmas. In it, Dave, a US East pilot, states:
I must be blunt here: the mutation of USAPA from a democratic, line pilot oriented and controlled union into the current administration that is about enrichment and ease of life style for President Cleary and his supporters is nearly complete and in record time.
All of these players are US East pilots. In the new year, Dave gave more of an explanation about what his problems were with the team. He details a variety of problems with the leadership, in particular, President Mike Cleary. He makes accusations of violation of bylaws, misappropriation of money, and favoritism. It’s a compelling read and it begs a single question . . . what is wrong with these people? This is a union that continues to hold fast, refusing to budge on its stubborn position on the Nicolau Award despite court rulings against them. The US West pilots have been alienated from the beginning, yet it’s the US East pilots who are in worse shape. The company offered to bring US East pilots up to the US West contract in the beginning but they have held out. Now, they’ve foregone higher wages for years and there doesn’t appear to be any end in sight.

This has to be the most dysfunctional union around.
 
usapa dysfunctional??? BF surprise there!
These clowns could screw up a 1 car funeral!
 
Trying to cash in that windfall is really frustrating. Just look at my pic and you see how upset some westies are. They are fuming. The nic will never see the light. Sorry westies :)

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The take from Brett Snyder of bnet.com. Welcome to our nightmare.

If you’re looking for a model for a dysfunctional pilot group, you should look no further than the US Airline Pilots Association (USAPA). That union represents the combined US Airways (US East) and America West (US West) pilot groups, but its existence has been marred by constant fighting between the two sides. Now, the US East pilots have tired of fighting others and have no turned on each other. This is an absolutely miserable situation.

The USAPA was formed after the US East pilots decided they didn’t like the results of seniority arbitration (the Nicolau Award). So, they decided to toss ALPA off the property and create the USAPA, an independent union. The US West pilots couldn’t do anything to stop them because the US East pilots had the majority. You can read more about the US Airways/America West pilot fight in a previous post.

Since the USAPA took over, their behavior has become increasingly questionable. In regards to the company, it appears their goal is to oppose anything management supports regardless of whether it is good or bad for them. That’s the only way I can explain their opposition to the slot swap with Delta in New York and Washington. Their latest efforts have been against closing down the Las Vegas hub. Ok.

But now, the union has really lost it. There is now a ton of infighting going on within the US East pilot ranks and things are getting very ugly. USAPA Executive Vice President Dave Ciabattoni turned in his resignation from the organization’s leadership team before Christmas. In it, Dave, a US East pilot, states:
I must be blunt here: the mutation of USAPA from a democratic, line pilot oriented and controlled union into the current administration that is about enrichment and ease of life style for President Cleary and his supporters is nearly complete and in record time.
All of these players are US East pilots. In the new year, Dave gave more of an explanation about what his problems were with the team. He details a variety of problems with the leadership, in particular, President Mike Cleary. He makes accusations of violation of bylaws, misappropriation of money, and favoritism. It’s a compelling read and it begs a single question . . . what is wrong with these people? This is a union that continues to hold fast, refusing to budge on its stubborn position on the Nicolau Award despite court rulings against them. The US West pilots have been alienated from the beginning, yet it’s the US East pilots who are in worse shape. The company offered to bring US East pilots up to the US West contract in the beginning but they have held out. Now, they’ve foregone higher wages for years and there doesn’t appear to be any end in sight.

This has to be the most dysfunctional union around.

Finally you just realized that USAPA leadership is wrong since the beginning two years ago. Now you understand the whole MEOYO (whole s**t) the union/leadership are heading to. (Violation of bylaws, misappropriation of money, and favoritism) You are welcome to fight and defeat Mr. Cleary Mafia and move forward east/west together. Integrity Matters. :beer:
 
Finally you just realized that USAPA leadership is wrong since the beginning two years ago. Now you understand the whole MEOYO (whole s**t) the union/leadership are heading to. (Violation of bylaws, misappropriation of money, and favoritism) You are welcome to fight and defeat Mr. Cleary Mafia and move forward east/west together. Integrity Matters. :beer:
I see the frustration growing with the current leadership. A recent resignation from the inner circle is certainly an indication of the dissatisfaction.

I'm ready to move forward if I get represented fairly by the leadership of USAPA.
I am a member in good standing after all. :beer:
 
West propoganda mouthpiece. BFD> the problem with all of this mess is the west greed. NOt even Northwest pilots got hosed as bad as we did!
 
West propoganda mouthpiece. BFD> the problem with all of this mess is the west greed. NOt even Northwest pilots got hosed as bad as we did!

You got what you brought to this mess. Dougweiser saves all your asses and you think you're owed the world? Spare me the whining, nobody gives a sh** how much you think you were "wronged".
 

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