The Mesa Circus Express-Unprofessionals flying your family

[CitationLover]

You guys that defend Mesa, especially the ones that don't actually work there, are a absolute fricken pathetic joke. This airline is the prick of the industry and anyone that works there is part of the family. It's very difficult in real life to just leave your family, but if you were abused or part of a corrupt crime ridden family, that might be a good option. Besides leaving, the other option is stop defending your families actions and do everything in your power to help make change. Otherwise, you are just contributing to the plaguelike problems of this slimeball Hitler run organization.

this coming from a guy at TSA who is flying american eagle owned jets in direct violation of their scope clause. at least mesa stopped the freedom menace, you guys have a lot of work left to do.

 

[CapnVegetto]

Just out of curiousity, what other choice did I have? I don't recall EVER having SJS. I have a job flying a jet, thats what I do, that doesnt mean I'm sporting wood every time I see my shiny new airplane. The Mesa guys.....they are nice guys, it's just the company that sucks, and I think we can all agree on that.

I agree with you.....I just can't stand hypocrisy. People villifying Mesa pilots for working for $20K a year when they've done the EXACT SAME F-ING THING. Maybe some even PFT'd. There are a lot of good dudes at Mesa. I know quite a few of them, and I'd fly with 'em anytime. Of course, there are $hitheads too, but that's the same everywhere. There are just as many $hitheads at XJET, CHQ, PCL, you name it, just as there are a lot of good folks there too.

 

[N1FuelFlow]

Mesa will all ways be Mesa. They set the industry bottom and unfortunatly a lot of there pilots i'm sure went there as a last resort. If your company didn't give a $hit about you would you care to look your best? I wouldn't. I've talked to some of them, most seem like good guys getting there time and they want the f_ck out. At least they didn't go to G0Jets. G0Jets is the only company I have a problem with.

 

[Fly2Scuba]

this coming from a guy at TSA who is flying american eagle owned jets in direct violation of their scope clause. at least mesa stopped the freedom menace, you guys have a lot of work left to do.

I don't know where you come to the conclusion I fly for TSA. Expressjet is my employer Sherlock. Anyways, this is more than just who you fly with, it's how you present yourself and your attitude towards your company, career, industry, etc. My problem is guys like yourself who have blindfolds on pretending like everything is just peachy. Maybe you'll actually mature down the road and realize windbreakers are a dumb look for a professional airline pilot. Maybe you'll someday realize that the NWA pilots and Delta pilots like to fly, but that isn't going to cloud their judgement in achieving a professional acceptable contract. Maybe you'll mature some day and realize that JO is an extreme a$$h*le and his actions make Mesa a very bad place indeed. Maybe someday you'll mature and take criticism, and be a big enough man to learn from it.

 

[CitationLover]

I don't know where you come to the conclusion I fly for TSA. Expressjet is my employer Sherlock. Anyways, this is more than just who you fly with, it's how you present yourself and your attitude towards your company, career, industry, etc. My problem is guys like yourself who have blindfolds on pretending like everything is just peachy. Maybe you'll actually mature down the road and realize windbreakers are a dumb look for a professional airline pilot. Maybe you'll someday realize that the NWA pilots and Delta pilots like to fly, but that isn't going to cloud their judgement in achieving a professional acceptable contract. Maybe you'll mature some day and realize that JO is an extreme a$$h*le and his actions make Mesa a very bad place indeed. Maybe someday you'll mature and take criticism, and be a big enough man to learn from it.

i don't work for mesa you maroon.

anyways, you worry then about xjet. your about to take it up the rear with regards to lost flying. besides all your senior CA's there, bought there jobs. worry about your company and let the mesa folks worry about theirs. most of them do not wear a windbreaker.

what is a "professional airline pilot" supposed to look like? a corporate stooge in a suit? i think we'd look just fine in a t-shirt and cutoffs (heck thats what the pax wear anyways).

i will have to say the xjet rampers have treated us nicely in PIT since they took over our ground ops there.

 

[Fly2Scuba]

i don't work for mesa you maroon.

anyways, you worry then about xjet. your about to take it up the rear with regards to lost flying. besides all your senior CA's there, bought there jobs. worry about your company and let the mesa folks worry about theirs. most of them do not wear a windbreaker.

what is a "professional airline pilot" supposed to look like? a corporate stooge in a suit? i think we'd look just fine in a t-shirt and cutoffs (heck thats what the pax wear anyways).

i will have to say the xjet rampers have treated us nicely in PIT since they took over our ground ops there.

Don't call me a maroon, I'm white. In regards to your fantasizing about t-shirts and cutoffs. Let me ask you this, if you were going to the doctor's office for a procedure and the doc walks in with "t-shirt and cutoffs", would you feel comfortable and perhaps more importantly would you be willing to pay the same for his treatment versus if the doctor walked in wearing a shirt and tie? Grow up and understand that the decisions, actions, and attitudes of one pilot group affects us all.

 

[Flyin4Free]

Don't call me a maroon, I'm white. In regards to your fantasizing about t-shirts and cutoffs. Let me ask you this, if you were going to the doctor's office for a procedure and the doc walks in with "t-shirt and cutoffs", would you feel comfortable and perhaps more importantly would you be willing to pay the same for his treatment versus if the doctor walked in wearing a shirt and tie? Grow up and understand that the decisions, actions, and attitudes of one pilot group affects us all.

i'm all for looking professional....hell i iron my nice white shirt before i put it on everyday and shine my shoes (ya, i know i need to get laid) BUT don't think for one second the passengers give a care about that or would pay more for it! if the ticket was $5 they'd fly on a paper airplane with a 3 year old flying it....oh ya and beeech the whole way about not getting a bag of peanuts!

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

The Mesa guys I've met are good guys. But I've got to call you guys out on the windbreaker. It is hurting us all. A sharp appreance is a choice. You guys can choose to look good with the leather jacket or blazer or look poor with the windbraker.

Look, Mesa does have a less than stellar reputation. Why propagate such a image?

It is not all about ticket price. Saying pax don't care if thier pilot is unprofessional is a cope out and said by pilots who look unprofessional so they can justify being unprofessional.

Consumers want value. They want a good price and good safe jet transport. Don't effect thier belief with a poor image.

 

[30West]

he looked like he was the drummer from skid row, but no he is a professional airline pilot.

Hey I'll bet Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden would take offense to that! IIRC isn't he a pilot for some airline in Europe in his spare time?

 

[CitationLover]

Don't call me a maroon, I'm white. In regards to your fantasizing about t-shirts and cutoffs. Let me ask you this, if you were going to the doctor's office for a procedure and the doc walks in with "t-shirt and cutoffs", would you feel comfortable and perhaps more importantly would you be willing to pay the same for his treatment versus if the doctor walked in wearing a shirt and tie? Grow up and understand that the decisions, actions, and attitudes of one pilot group affects us all.

well as someone who used to have to wear a suit and tie to work everyday i can say that your logic is crap. joe scmoe and his family care about getting $800 worth of service out of their $150 ticket. they could care less if the pilots wore a collared shirt and dockers (ie the pro golfer look), heck swa flight attendants wear shorts.

doctors wear pajamas when they operate for goodness sakes......

 

[Bus Driver]

Busdriver most probably can't tell a male from female. He has made his willy brown this way before. He wasn't paying attention and ended up banging the wrong FA while trying to come up with a cool thread topic for flightinfo. Stay focused Busdriver! If in doubt reach for the balls for verification. The lack of them is a good sign.

Just for the record you are referring to BusDriver12, right?

 

[chickenwolf]

Man all you uniform complainers are douche bags.

I pity anyone who has to work with you or be in your presence. You call yourselves professionals. Mesa, CHQ, Expressjet blah bla blah..dee freaking dah they are ALL regionals. Nitpick as much as you want but they are practically the same thing.

I have no problems with any except for those who act high and mighty or superior in some way, which is far to common. I am so glad I'll never have to work with such juveniles who need to complain about minute, insignificant details to feel better about themselves.

Compare the regional forum to the fracs, majs. corporate, etc and the whining childishness in here is 10X worse. You have small pee pee complex but are afraid to admit it.

You keep telling yourself I'm wrong but you are the ones complaining about individuals who are obviouslly operating within their companies guidlines which is the first and most basic step to professionalism.

So put on yer cute little monkey suit put some dapper dan in yer hair and look yerself in the mirror. Tell yourself that you are better than me and everyone else and maybe some day you will fly for the majors....but you'll still be an A$$hole judging someone by their looks, reminds me of highschool.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

doctors wear pajamas when they operate for goodness sakes......

Doctors do not negotiate thier compensation via the RLA.

Put it this way, the FedEx and NWA pilots have conducted informational picketing. They do not do so in pajamas.

Not sure one could present themselves at a Mesa interview in a windbreaker.... Now that is interesting...

Consumers want value. They want a good price and professional service.

 

[Flyin4Free]

Consumers want value. They want a good price and professional service.

they say they want professional service but i'm still convinced that when it comes right down to it all they care about is the finding the cheapest seat. if it's number one on the list at orbitz, priceline, cheapseats, whatever...that's the one they're going with. if the company says you can wear a windbreaker, shorts, pjs, or a thong and don't personally have a problem with it then go for it. personally i don't like it and wouldn't wear it but that's me and my opinion but don't rant and rave that that's what the customer wants because joe shmoe doesn't give a crap when he goes to buy the ticket what the pilots or anyone else for that matter look like.

 

[Fly2Scuba]

Man all you uniform complainers are douche bags.

I pity anyone who has to work with you or be in your presence. You call yourselves professionals. Mesa, CHQ, Expressjet blah bla blah..dee freaking dah they are ALL regionals. Nitpick as much as you want but they are practically the same thing.

I have no problems with any except for those who act high and mighty or superior in some way, which is far to common. I am so glad I'll never have to work with such juveniles who need to complain about minute, insignificant details to feel better about themselves.

Compare the regional forum to the fracs, majs. corporate, etc and the whining childishness in here is 10X worse. You have small pee pee complex but are afraid to admit it.

You keep telling yourself I'm wrong but you are the ones complaining about individuals who are obviouslly operating within their companies guidlines which is the first and most basic step to professionalism.

So put on yer cute little monkey suit put some dapper dan in yer hair and look yerself in the mirror. Tell yourself that you are better than me and everyone else and maybe some day you will fly for the majors....but you'll still be an A$$hole judging someone by their looks, reminds me of highschool.

Based on your profile, you have flown at which "regional"? I just love anyone who has never flown at a "regional " to pretend like they know what's going on and how it is. Included in your dumb rant is the idea that all so called regionals are all the same. If they were, one wouldn't be severely underbidding another.
Beyond that point, the issues at stake is not where somewhere is at, but how they react to the situation. If Mesa pilots don't stand up to JO, then it brings down the rest of the industry. Wearing windbreakers is in a small way is hurting that case and every action counts. Whether you like it or not, what one wears is perceived by others including shareholders of Mesa. That's the group that needs to be ultimately pressured to pressure toolhead Ornstein to back off and give in to a real professional airline pilot contract. And I'm far from a stickler on absolute uniform fashion, I hate the hats.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

they say they want professional service but i'm still convinced that when it comes right down to it all they care about is the finding the cheapest seat. if it's number one on the list at orbitz, priceline, cheapseats, whatever...that's the one they're going with. if the company says you can wear a windbreaker, shorts, pjs, or a thong and don't personally have a problem with it then go for it. personally i don't like it and wouldn't wear it but that's me and my opinion but don't rant and rave that that's what the customer wants because joe shmoe doesn't give a crap when he goes to buy the ticket what the pilots or anyone else for that matter look like.

Why are you convinced? Just cuz? Tell us why.

You've got the logic wrong, consumers assume the safety is not a factor. They assume the pilots are professional. We have done such a good job with our safety record. Also, when consumers buy a tickets on UAL they think they will flying on UAL, unitl they walk out to the plane and see some dude in a windbreaker with "operated by Mesa" and even then they moght not figure it out.

So, sure they only care about price. It doesn't sound logical that a consumer thinks, "I maybe be giving up safety with unprofessional pilots, but that tickets price is too danm attractive..."

Quit trying to justify your lack of consummate professionalism. Not to worry though, FedEx, UPS, jB and SWA won't try to either...

 

[Av8rPHX]

Hey I'll bet Bruce Dickinson of Iron Maiden would take offense to that! IIRC isn't he a pilot for some airline in Europe in his spare time?

He flys for Astraeus Airlines out of London on the 757 I think.

www.flyastraeus.com

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

It just keeps going and going and going....

 

[Slice121]

Quit trying to justify your lack of consummate professionalism. Not to worry though, FedEx, UPS, jB and SWA won't try to either...

Not sure what you mean by that but I know several Ex-Mesa guys at all of those places...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Not sure what you mean by that but I know several Ex-Mesa guys at all of those places...

And I bet they all deserve to be there.....

 

[grog_sit_reserv]

And I bet they all deserve to be there.....

Because they didn't wear the windbreaker?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Because they didn't wear the windbreaker?

That is what this thread is about isn't it?

 

[tomcash]

Because they didn't wear the windbreaker?

GrogSitsReserve is back.

 

[UnstableAviator]

He flys for Astraeus Airlines out of London on the 757 I think.

www.flyastraeus.com

He does. I met him this summer at a local airport before Ozzfest. Very cool and down to Earth, his rock star "persona" is just acting; no different than a hollywood actor.

 

[Sig]

He does. I met him this summer at a local airport before Ozzfest. Very cool and down to Earth, his rock star "persona" is just acting; no different than a hollywood actor.

Hats off to him. Is he a captain? Inasmuch as it is contrition for the worst eardrum abusing, talent-bankrupt lilting "badass prancing big hair faggotry" the '80s are trying to be forgotten for...

It means he paid some sort of dues outside of selling that whole "dignity in the face of the rest of time" thing. What horrendous crap buttrock was.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

BusDriver, Honestly get a F'n Life! you don't know your ear hole from your a$$ Hole. If you are that almighty please tell us all your name so we know to make sure you are irish spring clean, and wear'n a fresh pressed uni when you come knock for a ride. Other wise shut your mouth when it comes to things that #1 don't matter and #2 you people you know nothing about.

 

[Flyin4Free]

Why are you convinced? Just cuz? Tell us why.

You've got the logic wrong, consumers assume the safety is not a factor. They assume the pilots are professional. We have done such a good job with our safety record. Also, when consumers buy a tickets on UAL they think they will flying on UAL, unitl they walk out to the plane and see some dude in a windbreaker with "operated by Mesa" and even then they moght not figure it out.

So, sure they only care about price. It doesn't sound logical that a consumer thinks, "I maybe be giving up safety with unprofessional pilots, but that tickets price is too danm attractive..."

Quit trying to justify your lack of consummate professionalism. Not to worry though, FedEx, UPS, jB and SWA won't try to either...

what do i have to back that up? have you ever cared to look at the passengers getting on your plane? don't get me wrong, there is a small percentage that looks like they should be on an airplane and that does care about professionalism but you said it right there...jb, swa, and we'll add airtran to the list too. if you've read my other posts you'd know i care a lot about looking and acting professional but that doesn't mean 60% of the trash that gets on my plane in pajamas, florecent pink jump suits, ripped up jeans and shirts, garbage bags for carry-ons (and the list keeps going)...you think they care what the two guys/gals up front are wearing? some don't even know i'm the pilot.

i completely agree that we all have a responsibility to the profession to dress and act as professionally as possible when in the eye of the public but it irritates the shoot out of me to see people walking around airports the way they do. i wear the uniform and look as professional as possible for MYSELF and the minority of people that notice but the majority doesn't care.

now, as far as the windbreakers? i don't like them either and wish they wouldn't wear them but that's my opinion. we all know the stereotype of the mesa air group and it's management and it's not going to change. there are a lot of great people flying over there and there are a lot that aren't so great JUST LIKE EVERYWHERE ELSE! if it's ok with mesa, united, usair, and everyother carrier they bend over for there's nothing you're going to do about it.

do not confuse safety and professionalism. when i flew night cargo, sometimes with passengers, i was as unprofessional as they'd let me be but it did not compromise safety.

 

[CitationLover]

whats worse in the pax eyes than pilot uniform is the stated paintjob of the airplane. now here mesa does have a problem with the america west nose and cowlings on a united crj.

but the best is us airways and their 737 fleet. they all look like they just went through reentry.

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?...FP&photo_nr=7&prev_id=1006509&next_id=1001733

 

[JohnnyP]

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got a chuckle out of the 737's coming back from re-entry.

Now our dashes and some of those b1900's are right up there in that category. I'm not sure whats worse in the pax's eyes, the layers of painted over paint jobs falling off or the speed tape. In the grand scheme of things im not sure the paintjob is going to have a tremendous effect on anything as far as the pax's go, but for those few seconds they stand next to it, i suppose it would be a bit un-nerving.

 

[Filkster]

hey driver, please have the balls to say any of this to my face when you ask for a ride, please. dork.

Grow up.