The last straw

[ToiletDuck]

Who cares nothing you can do about it now. Personally I don't want to be forced to retire. I hope I'm living the good life before it comes to that but for me it's the morals of it.

 

[OCP]

Your facts are ALL wrong. 58% voted not to change. Our worthless MECs(except XJT and NWA) sold us out based on their own best interest, then Prater looked after his own.

Look a few posts up, I recanted my statement and included a link to the poll.

 

[ex j-41]

SimHo the fact remains that our MECs like ASAs are subsidized by Legacy ALPA unions. Our companies and our unions ride on the coat tails of mainlines and their ALPAs.

Succeeding will never happen, plus age 65 is done. If you felt so passionately about this you should have been raising hell a long time ago. There are more major airline pilots than regional. Who are you to think you're better than a 60 year old major airline pilot. How old are you? How long have you been flying? They deserve a full career. Yeah regional life sucks, but they've been through hell.

I love how regional pilots age discriminate against the youngest and oldest of professional pilots.

My father, a man who raised four children and contributes to society lost his retirement. He needs the 5 more years to make up a portion of what he lost.

They were here first, they get to be here 5 years longer if they want and so do we. This extension does not quail the demand for pilots as much as you think it will.

You'll still get a job and be successful... Stop being selfish SimHo.

Selfish?
Your dad gets 5 more years at 160k and we get 5 more years at 30!

Age sixty-five helps only those who are captains today, and hurts those that are already living in poverty.

 

[XPOO]

So you mean to tell us that ALPA is running their own agenda without the input of their dues-payers? And we all wonder why SkyWest and Colgan voted down ALPA.

 

[Mookie]

Selfish?
Your dad gets 5 more years at 160k and we get 5 more years at 30!

Age sixty-five helps only those who are captains today, and hurts those that are already living in poverty.

If you hadn't whored yourself out for $30k to fly RJ's, then his dad would have been making $250K and retired two years ago and been playing in Cancun. What goes around comes around. I spent time at a regional, and am not so arrogant to know that these guys got fooked in Bankruptcy and if it takes 5 more years for me to get off reserve/upgrade, then I should have seen it coming.

don't blame the retiring captains, blame yourselves for being so goddamn shortsighted to not see this coming. if you wanted to make more than $30k, then you should have gone somewhere that pays a hell of alot more.

we're all whores. it's just that some think they aren't.

Mookie

 

[ex j-41]

If you hadn't whored yourself out for $30k to fly RJ's, then his dad would have been making $250K and retired two years ago and been playing in Cancun. What goes around comes around. I spent time at a regional, and am not so arrogant to know that these guys got fooked in Bankruptcy and if it takes 5 more years for me to get off reserve/upgrade, then I should have seen it coming.

don't blame the retiring captains, blame yourselves for being so goddamn shortsighted to not see this coming. if you wanted to make more than $30k, then you should have gone somewhere that pays a hell of alot more.

we're all whores. it's just that some think they aren't.

Mookie

If i can say go #*#$# YOURSELF.
I didn't make the pay rates. I just have to live with the wrongfull doings of previous MEC's and selfish &^*&& like yourself.
It wasn't like when i interviewed i was asked what i expect for a pay check. I get what i am given. You know that and it irritates me to death that idiots like you use your republican attitude to point the blame on the people that had nothing to do with it. Expecially when you know damm well that you start at the bottom or you don't start at all. But now we all have anouther 5 years longer at a crappy pay rate. And that my friend is just another way the senior pilots in this country screwed the young. Should have seen it coming? Sorry my crystal ball was in maint. Dork!

 

[kmox29]

It gives you 5 more years of employment.

...at a lower pay rate. But don't worry, you "get" another 5 years to make that up. Just think, you can work until you're s-i-x-t-y f-i-v-e uke:

 

[Mookie]

If i can say go #*#$# YOURSELF.
I didn't make the pay rates. I just have to live with the wrongfull doings of previous MEC's and selfish &^*&& like yourself.
It wasn't like when i interviewed i was asked what i expect for a pay check. I get what i am given. You know that and it irritates me to death that idiots like you use your republican attitude to point the blame on the people that had nothing to do with it. Expecially when you know damm well that you start at the bottom or you don't start at all. But now we all have anouther 5 years longer at a crappy pay rate. And that my friend is just another way the senior pilots in this country screwed the young. Should have seen it coming? Sorry my crystal ball was in maint. Dork!

If not bitching about others screwing me, and then expecting a handout makes me a republican...then so be it. no one is entitled to anything, and if you are so freakin' smart, then you would realize that any group is going to take care of the top end earners, who pay more dues, than those earning less with the potential to earn more. Those captains at majors who have been there for 25 years have EARNED the right to have their cake and eat it too. sorry, i didn't get into this business with blinders on, and don't blame me if you did.

go out there and earn some respect, and don't give me that crap that paying dues somehow entitles you to it...volunteer your time, join a committee, stop bitching...anything but whining about this issue.

(notice i didn't call you a left wing bunny hugging *************************, did you??)

Mookie

 

[rstev1955]

Do any of you honestly think this bill would not have passed if ALPA opposed it?? How about a reality check. It was going to happen whether ALPA supported it or not. And for the record, the ALPA Executive Committee did not vote to support a change of the law, they voted to have an input if it was going to be changed anyway (which it was).

The majority of regional airlines have upgrade times of less than 2 years right now, and even if it doubles (it won't) it will still be less than how long it took those 60 year old pilots to sit in the left seat when they were hired.

In 2 years this topic will be a non-issue, once people see it does not have the impact they thought it would.

 

[PCL_128]

Do any of you honestly think this bill would not have passed if ALPA opposed it??

The bill never would have even made it to the floor of the House for a vote if ALPA had stood by the membership and opposed the change. The Congressman that introduced the legislation was ALPA's biggest buddy on the Hill, and he was Chairman of the Committee that had the power to hold this up for quite a while. Instead, Prater screwed everyone over and forced his own agenda.

 

[Flybynite]

Age sixty-five helps only those who are captains today, and hurts those that are already living in poverty.

You are only living in poverty because you chose to accept a job that paid less than minimum wage. You applied for the position and knew the pay scale prior to showing up on day one. You got a b!tch, stand in front of a mirror and complain away.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

How old he is is not relevant at all. And they HAD a full career. They knew the rules when they got into this business. They moved up the seniority ladder when those above them left at 60. Now they got there and decided that they didn't like the rules anymore, and they whined enough to get someone to change them. I'm no longer at a regional, and I didn't support changing the rules either. And a lot of people go through hell without whining to the government that their life just isn't fair.

DING,DING,DING, we have a winner! RULES CHANGE, guess what individual pilots and employees in general have little to no say in legislation. This was passed because a few pilots banded together got active and since the industry was already having problems staffing the flying they already had, it passed. You bitch and moan on FI and instead of participating in the only vehicle available to, your union! This should galvanize you into believing that change is possible, and empower you to effect that change that may be necessary, but you won't. I am gonna stay till 65, go to my ALPA meetings and vote to take money and work rules from JR pilots, since they will be too busy pi$$ing and moaning on FI. WHOOHOO more for me and less for you.
PBR

 

[Mookie]

You are only living in poverty because you chose to accept a job that paid less than minimum wage. You applied for the position and knew the pay scale prior to showing up on day one. You got a b!tch, stand in front of a mirror and complain away.

Take note all:

the guy bitching has 4400hrs and guy who has the best perspective has 11,000hrs. Who EARNED it???

(and i don't give a rats ass what the 4400hr guy did before airline flying. apples to oranges. all of us had something we did before, but unless it translates directly to seniority at an airline, it's not germain to the topic at hand.)

Mookie

 

[PCL_128]

Take note all:

the guy bitching has 4400hrs and guy who has the best perspective has 11,000hrs. Who EARNED it???

The most "perspective?" Did you have to stifle a laugh as you wrote that? No, he doesn't have any more perspective, just a lot to gain by changing the rule. The senior guys raped the junior guys. As Prater might say, "Takin' it back......from the junior pilots!"

 

[COOPERVANE]

O.K.....But....But...............thats the last straw......


I could burn down the building..........

 

[rstev1955]

The bill never would have even made it to the floor of the House for a vote if ALPA had stood by the membership and opposed the change. The Congressman that introduced the legislation was ALPA's biggest buddy on the Hill, and he was Chairman of the Committee that had the power to hold this up for quite a while.

WRONG. It was only a matter of time, and there is nothing ALPA or any other lobby group could have done about it in the end.

Instead, Prater screwed everyone over and forced his own agenda.

John Prater did not force the MEC Chairmen to vote the way they did. Only two MEC Chairmen voted no. Mine Did. Did yours? Maybe that is the person you ought to blame.

 

[PCL_128]

WRONG. It was only a matter of time, and there is nothing ALPA or any other lobby group could have done about it in the end.

Your opinion is not supported by the facts. If you understood ALPA's relationship with certain members of Congress, then you would realize that this could have been delayed for quite some time if ALPA was so inclined. If Duane were still in office, then the age would still be 60 today.

John Prater did not force the MEC Chairmen to vote the way they did. Only two MEC Chairmen voted no. Mine Did.

Your information is inaccurate. Only two MEC Chairmen voted all of their votes NO, but several of them also split their votes, voting some NO and some YES. Prater used a BRP that he appointed with biased members to provide slanted information to the EC and EB to get them to vote the way he wanted. He also used his hand-picked BRP members to craft a biased poll question that he could use to twist their members' own words to support his little obsession to change this rule.

Did yours? Maybe that is the person you ought to blame.

I do partially blame him, and as a member of the PCL MEC, I brought a resolution telling him to vote NO. It's a long story about how that all played out, but suffice it to say that he lied to the MEC members about his own feelings on the issue, claiming that he was undecided about how he was going to vote, and then later admitting that he was a major supporter of the change from the beginning. He only admitted this after already having submitted his resignation. I'm no longer at PCL, but thankfully the membership now has a much better MEC Chairman that can actually be trusted.

 

[xjhawk]

selfish A$$HOLE IS WHAT simho is, let me tell you, you fit right in with the rest of the idiots who are only pissed that this bill went through because your seniority will not be moving faster up the list. The only complaints that I hear are that there will not be as much movement because of this. Guess what, sometimes you have to do the right thing now and wait for the benefits later. Guess what, now you will have medical when you are 60-65. You will also not have to wonder how you will make it through retirement on what you have now. Guess what, give it up and move on. I know there are pleanty of guys who will still hang it up when they feel they are financially able to do it. Look at the senior NWA pilots, they kept most of their retirement, so why would they stay?

 

[PCL_128]

Guess what, now you will have medical when you are 60-65.

Guess what? I already had medical from 60-65 because it was in my contract! Maybe you should spend your time trying to make those sorts of improvements rather than trying to change the rules.

 

[ex j-41]

You are only living in poverty because you chose to accept a job that paid less than minimum wage. You applied for the position and knew the pay scale prior to showing up on day one. You got a b!tch, stand in front of a mirror and complain away.

I guess i was mislead thinking that the previous generation would have had the integrity to uphold reasonable working conditions and contracts. I was wrong to think that you would have had the backbone to stand up for someone other than yourself and demand we get paid fairly. I guess it is up to todays generation to make sure that future pilots have a career they can be proud of.