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i rode a 17 a couple times. sure beats the hell out of the -9 and the -80

oh well... 737ng here we come... i always like winglets anyway :beer:
 
Sure is a great airplane, I am real Lucky that I had the opportunity to fly the 9/ -10 and the -30 and now enjoying the 17, passengers loves it as well, oh well, will see what the next plane going to be here soon. Our last 17 will be here soon.
 
Why did they stop production of what seemed to be a very efficient airframe?

Seems like more of the majors should have gone to the 17.
 
blzr said:
Why did they stop production of what seemed to be a very efficient airframe?

Seems like more of the majors should have gone to the 17.

Simple. Boeing did not want competition with the 737. So they bought and killed the competitor.
 
Einstein said:
Simple. Boeing did not want competition with the 737. So they bought and killed the competitor.

I thought the 717 WAS Boeing?

OHHHHH, I just caught up. Used to me the MD-95.
 
Einstein said:
Simple. Boeing did not want competition with the 737. So they bought and killed the competitor.

So now, they've lost the 100-110 seat market to Embraer. Good move Boeing... :rolleyes: TC
 
AA717driver said:
So now, they've lost the 100-110 seat market to Embraer. Good move Boeing... :rolleyes: TC

Actually, a very smart move. This market will get saturated very quickly just like the 50 seater market has being and it is a smaller market, If you look at the Lion's share for the missing link A/C It is a much less flexible market than the 50 seater because the void is not as big. The 50 seaters are already covering a huge market place within 400 nm of the hubs, the only thing that is left within that market is the most money producing routes in terms of volume because if you start stretching it over 600, 700nm's and beyond, it starts to loose money on those routes, it starts to infringe into the A-320's 737's sandbox. Now, as per the competition with EMB, Boeing knows that with the facilities, financial assistance and tax breaks that EMB are getting from their government (EMB, Share holders are a very influential group) and the labor costs that they can obtain from their workforce it is simply not worth it to produce two A/C types to cover the same market share and reducing the yield to be able to be competitive price wise. So, they are going to dedicate resources to higher yield production lines line the 787 And reduce overall cost by dedicating only the infrastructure required for one type of A/C to cover that specific market share. You have seen the 737 and the EMB- 190 side by side, right? Is the EMB a regional jet? Or isn't the 737 a regional jet as well? These two A/C's are very, very similar in terms of yield capacity the only difference is that labor groups have agreed to substandard wages to fly basically the same size airframe because of the stigma of EMB being a regional jet and the availability to outsource all supporting ground and maintenance personnel. This market will saturate very quickly.

We tend to relate A/C production management teams with Airline management teams just because they are both related to aviation. And you have to relate them more to, What? Oh, I would say Fast food market developers! They recognize market shares and attack it. And if a particular product doesn't fit into the market share available to them, they dump it without pride nor prejudice. "Double sized" worked for a while, now its is the salads and the yogurt.
Coffee is the latest trend of the fast food fast thinkers. These people are not Airline management's.

The frame will be sorrily missed, but perhaps like the retro Mustang or the VW Bug, it will return with vengeance. I'm a dreamer at heart. I'm still waiting for the DH Comet to come back.
 
Given the chance I'd bid off the Bus in favor of the 717 in a heartbeat (even if it meant flying with AA717Driver again!).
 
End of an era for an awesome Bird.:beer:
 
Juniority said:
actually there were 888 total airframes that rolled off Boeing assembly lines with identoplates that read "Boeing model 717"





Not B717-200's, but, hey, thanks for playing. . . . . .




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yes Ty...

Thank you for thanking me for playing. (playing what?)

Yes, I knew the thread was about the MD legacy product.

And yes, you knew that I knew the thread was about the MD legacy product.

A lot of folks don't know that Boeing re-used the 717 designation.

Did you, Ty, know that the C/KC-135 was the original model 717? (he asked, giving Ty another opportunity at a smug reply)

As long as we're playing... Oh yeah, and hey, thanks for playing...
 
The "MD-95" outsold it's older brother the MD-90(117 airplanes produced) and came close to the MD-11(200 airplanes)

976 DC-9's made
550+DC-8's
446 DC-10's
1100+ MD-80's

If TWA had been able to stick around maybe the airplane wouldn't have died so early...7 years of production....I remember hearing even American liked the airplane when they absorbed the ex TWA 71's but with the F-100's and so many MD80's there was no room for it....more for us I guess....ships#'s 771-790(i believe) are all ex Trans World in the FL fleet

Let's get some 738's now!:nuts:
 
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Juniority said:
yes Ty...

Thank you for thanking me for playing. (playing what?)

Yes, I knew the thread was about the MD legacy product.

And yes, you knew that I knew the thread was about the MD legacy product.

A lot of folks don't know that Boeing re-used the 717 designation.

Did you, Ty, know that the C/KC-135 was the original model 717? (he asked, giving Ty another opportunity at a smug reply)

As long as we're playing... Oh yeah, and hey, thanks for playing...

Awsome observation. Don't worry, I got it when you pointed it out. You can't say anything here without all the "experts" coming out of their dorm rooms in Daytona telling you how stupid you are.

But hey, Delta has some nice new Lavs.

cheers!
 
Another great Douglas product about to vanish. You will never see another airplane that is engineered like a MD, especially not any of that Braziilian/Canadian junk.
 
Stealthh21 said:
Awsome observation. Don't worry, I got it when you pointed it out. You can't say anything here without all the "experts" coming out of their dorm rooms in Daytona telling you how stupid you are.

But hey, Delta has some nice new Lavs.

cheers!

Wow, Riddle cracks get incorporated into everything around here. Nice execution. :pimp:
 
Juniority said:
actually there were 888 total airframes that rolled off Boeing assembly lines with identoplates that read "Boeing model 717"

http://www.theaviationzone.com/factsheets/kc135.asp


I was wondering if anyone would point out that the KC-135 was the original Boeing 717. The VIP variant, the VC-135, was an awesome airplane. The aft fuselage 9,000 lb. fuel cell was removed and voila, you had a VIP airplane with a max speed of 522 kts that could fly 480 knots for 12 hours.

It was withdrawn from the inventory at Andrews AFB and replaced with the B707-320B in 1993 principally because the passengers didn't like the lack of windows.

The 707's were replaced with the VC-32 (B757-200) allegedly because 707 parts were becoming scarce.

I agree that the 717 is a great airplane. The same guy that was the chief test pilot for the GV was the chief test pilot for the MD95/B717 at Long Beach during developmental test. Boeing just doesn't want to support it because they didn't design and build it.

GV
 

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