the incredible shrinking airline CAL

[thor2j]

All old generation 737,MD, DC9, and any make turboprop must be retrofitted with RNAV RNP capable avionics by 2013 if they are to be used in the NGATS.

NGATS is a performance based National Air Transportation System verse the current equipment based NAS we currently operate in. Old Gen 737, MD's, DC9's, and all turboprops do not meet the RNAV RNP performance standards NGAT will require.

2013 is the FAA's launch date. And 2013 will hold as Europe's PNAV is already in effect and implementing new phases yearly. The FAA will keep pace with Europe since we are trying to adopt every other standard Europe is advocating.

Look to see all those airframes that are expected to be kept past 2013 get a new avionics suite. And those that are going to be dumped not get the new fancy gadgets.

The retirement/replace plans will become transparent by 2013 for sure. The next three years will see which aircraft are going to be kept long term and which will be dumped when the requirements to operate in the airspace go into effect. Till then just keep guessing.

Is AMR going to retrofit gas guslying MD's while they wait for the B737 replacement?

Is AMR going to update its B757 fleet? What about the B767's?

Is NWA going to fly the DC9 above FL290 into RVSM which they currently do not?

Is SWA going to keep its 300/500 fleet or start parking airplanes in the recession?

Is CAL going to keep its 300/500's and the B757/B767 fleet with new avionics or replace them with the new deliveries avoiding the avionics retrofits?

What about UAL's 73 300's, 75/76's? With no aircraft on order, UAL is sure to be the incredible shrinking fleet.

US Air and DAL?

Next Gen 737, A320, B777, B787, Q400's, EMB145's, and CRJ have the capabilities to be modified or already comply. Everything else is going to get new avionics or be dumped by design as required by NGAT.

The upcoming legacy and LCC mergers should remove much of the unusable capacity into the PERFORMANCE based requirements of the not to distant future. It is going to be a wild ride. Hold on!!!!

To be honest I don't know what the rnp needs to be for this program you talk about for 2013. CALs 756 are already doing rnp approaches. The rnp is .15, how much tighter do you want the tollerances???

 

[densoo]

Regarding CLE only.

Crunch the route and aircraft statistics any way you want, but staffing tells the truth. CLE was over 600 pilots before 9/11, is under 300 now. The last system bid added 6 (yes, six) CA positions at the mainline in CLE. You can call +6 of less than 300 "growth" and be mathematically correct, but it would be completely misleading.

 

[ClubORD]

Regarding CLE only.

Crunch the route and aircraft statistics any way you want, but staffing tells the truth. CLE was over 600 pilots before 9/11, is under 300 now. The last system bid added 6 (yes, six) CA positions at the mainline in CLE. You can call +6 of less than 300 "growth" and be mathematically correct, but it would be completely misleading.

Initially the RJ's will be shifted over there from EWR thus creating the "growth" from CLE. However, when we start taking the 20+ 737NG's later next year, then the expansion will occur 2nd half of 08'. Wouldn't the next system bid be more reflective on the mainline growth out of CLE?

 

[§kyye Candy]

Well, well, Poc-a-holes boyfriend knows how to type.

LOL!

Flame bait!!

 

[flygirlqt]

CAL Blows!!!!!

Is that why we have numerous Blue pilots leaving to come here?

 

[densoo]

Initially the RJ's will be shifted over there from EWR thus creating the "growth" from CLE. However, when we start taking the 20+ 737NG's later next year, then the expansion will occur 2nd half of 08'. Wouldn't the next system bid be more reflective on the mainline growth out of CLE?

Yes it would. And, we'll see in February.

PS: "RJ creating growth" is a snow job. CLE went from 600 pilots to 250 while RJs grew. 276 Embraers later, few routes have returned to the mainline. Expressjet pilots and operation should have been brought into the mainline operation in '97, '00, and '02. Mainline pilots (all voltage but no amps) would have none of it, and paid the price.

 

[Auburn_CFI]

Is NWA going to fly the DC9 above FL290 into RVSM which they currently do not?

Since when? As of today they are RVSM capable and flying about FL290 in RVSM airspace. I am not sure where you came up with your list of what if's but it is full of inaccuracies.