The gloves are coming off!

[ProFracPilot]

Fr8doggie-

I understand your passion and desire in wanting to single handedly force change among the most recalcitrant of our ranks. And laying down the gauntlet isn't necessarily a bad thing. However, if I were you I would consider giving your Pro Stands committee the opportunity to deal with this issue. Perhaps they're already gathering data on the particular crew you're targeting. If you elect to take this rogue action (which it would be, if done outside the union) you better be damm sure you're right.

Pfp

 

[HSDriver]

Here is a wake up call for all you FLOPS company YES men along with all you company henchmen. From this day froward every airplane I am assigned to with blatant and obvious overlooked write ups, your gonna pay dearly. I am going to look your address and airman certificate number up at landings.com and document everything I find. Then I am going to send the evidence directly to the F.A.A. in Washington D.C. with the statement that these airmen "Knowingly and Willingly" operated this aricraft in a reckless manner. You are not doing any of us any favors. So you can spend your precious performance bonus on a high quality aviation attorney. Just like the audits at the 121 airlines you WILL be violated. So think about that the next time you turn over an aircraft you have been carrrying squawks on all week. Quit screwing the rest of us that are playing by the rules.

1. How is anyone going to "Pay Dearly"? The FAA does not care about any letter you write.
2. How are you going to prove the "Knowing and Willingly" part?
3.You think anyone is going to be violated because of a letter you write to the FAA? What planet are you on man?

I say, when you pick up a broke plane, write it up and enjoy the eight day vacation. Thats what I do. Let those jokers chase a few hundred dollar bone-us all week if they want to.

HS

 

[learflyer]

I say, when you pick up a broke plane, write it up and enjoy the eight day vacation.
HS

Why, so they can airline everyones azz around all week to different broken airplanes?

 

[Frac Cap]

Just to throw my 2 cents in, the last time I had a problem with the condition of a plane that I received from another crew, I e-mailed both crew members and gave them a detailed account of where their deficiencies are and that as a favor to them it will be kept between the three of us. Needles to say the Pic and Sic called me immediately to explain. Their "excuse" was acceptable and I'm sure they will think twice next time.

I think it shows professionalism to deal with things first with the crew in question. Then if that doesn't work, professional standards should handle it next. Going to management should be last, if that would even work in this case. We should never be going to the FAA on our own. Only wild animals eat their own, we need to stick together and set the example for teamwork.

Once again, just my 2 cents.

 

[fischman]

Just to throw my 2 cents in, the last time I had a problem with the condition of a plane that I received from another crew, I e-mailed both crew members and gave them a detailed account of where their deficiencies are and that as a favor to them it will be kept between the three of us. Needles to say the Pic and Sic called me immediately to explain. Their "excuse" was acceptable and I'm sure they will think twice next time.

I think it shows professionalism to deal with things first with the crew in question. Then if that doesn't work, professional standards should handle it next. Going to management should be last, if that would even work in this case. We should never be going to the FAA on our own. Only wild animals eat their own, we need to stick together and set the example for teamwork.

Once again, just my 2 cents.

FR8DOG777,

I understand your frustration. I really do. I personally feel that I do most of the write-ups in my fleet. I am EXTREMELY picky about the appearance and condition of the aircraft I am in command of. Why am I so picky? I feel that my aircraft, although luxurious, is nothing special compared to the rest of the fleets. Our owners are paying a premium, and I feel that they DESERVE to fly in an aircraft that is in prime condition. Therefore, I do a LOT of write-ups. I feel it is part of my job, that NetJets appreciates my attention to detail, and it is the only way to get things fixed!

Having said that, as an IBT1108 brother, I think you need to take the emotion out of this. Keep ice water in the veins brother. If you have a problem with the condition of an aircraft that has been left you, contact the previous crew. If they do not give you a satisfactory answer, go to pro-standards. That is part of the reason you are paying union dues man. In short, I agree with Frac Cap 100%.

Keep the ice water in the veins man. Remember that it is only business. Also, keep up the good work in providing your passengers the safest mode of transportation possible. If ANY of us goes down, it is going to hurt every company out there. Safety first.

 

[johnsonrod]

Freightdog777,

You sound very angry - understandably so. Life is short and that level of understandable anger probably ain't too healthy. Do yourself a favor - move to Netjets or another operator where you will be treated better. FLOPS is a disaster. I would bail out now because I don't see things getting that much better in the near-to-medium term. Just my suggestion.

Good luck.

 

[FR8DOG777]

Frac Cap that is what I have done in the past and am currently doing now. I am frustrated that Me and My flying partner are put directly in the cross heirs of an angry management team that is looking for reasons to fire people. I never have turned over an aircraft to another crew in a messy or disorderly state. And HS driver the FAA would have been very interested to know why a pilot was flying around the airplane in the state it was. One picture would have sufficed. How do you think the passengers would feel after the flight knowing the aircraft that they just flew on was in such a sorry state it required a ferry permit to get it to mx for repairs. Not very cool. I am not on a one man Jihad mission here. Be professional

 

[TWA]

Just to give everyone the full picture here, what was so bad a ferry permit was required? Other examples?

 

[bchjetdrvr]

Speaking of that why don't you have the balls to post this on the IBT to voice your concern.

Because doing so would get your so-called balls chopped off. aka FIRED. The company piece-0-sh$ts (that's a technical term) have moles at the IBT board and use certain posts to fire their pilots. Some of you may know that the IBT board requires real names as usernames.

PS- LOVE THE POST :beer: - Go get em tiger!

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

I know of a pilot who intended to write up something, but then forgot. Later, he remembered about the write up, and was upset that he just plane (hahaha) forgot to write it up.

Some of these write up problems could be a simple mistake.

cliff
LRD