The END OF LEONIDAS is finally upon us

[TWA Dude]

Jeepers, Puffy, such unbridled hatred you harbor towards AWA.

But at least you have an unbiased view of the Nicolau Award. <snicker snicker>

 

[PuffDriver]

Jeepers, Puffy, such unbridled hatred you harbor towards AWA.

But at least you have an unbiased view of the Nicolau Award. <snicker snicker>

Nope, mostly just bored. You have to be to be on flightinfo.

And it's not hatred, just that am west never did anything for anyone, including the financing of the USAir merger, were granted almost immediate access to wide bodies they didn't have before, and are now going to be part of a worldwide global operation.

Sure, no windfall. <snicker snicker>

Many of us have a firm grasp on the NIC, and the true reason behind the theatrics since.

 

[Turtle21]

No, he's right. USAPA is the scum of the Earth.

The level of hatred and jealousy one generates, in a selfish dog eat dog world, is directly proportional to the level of their success.

For the slow reader... The more hating you do on USAPA the louder you proclaim their success.

 

[Bringupthebird]

Bottom line, USAPA trying to get rid of NIC at all costs
Leonidas trying to keep NIC at all costs
Reason: massive windfall for west at the expense of east pilots

Whoever fed you this garbage should be ashamed. The Nicolau list resulted in the vast majority of pilots keeping the same relative position between top and bottom as they had before the merger. No one outside USAPA has bought the windfall garbage and you shouldn't either.

 

[PuffDriver]

Whoever fed you this garbage should be ashamed. The Nicolau list resulted in the vast majority of pilots keeping the same relative position between top and bottom as they had before the merger. No one outside USAPA has bought the windfall garbage and you shouldn't either.

I am outside USAPA, and I brought up the "windfall garbage"

It was a windfall for the AWA pilots. Period. Otherwise, they would not be fighting so hard for it.

 

[SWA Bubba]

I am outside USAPA, and I brought up the "windfall garbage"

It was a windfall for the AWA pilots. Period. Otherwise, they would not be fighting so hard for it.

That's kind of a stupid one-sided comment. The east pilots are fighting equally as hard; are they fighting to protect their "windfall"? They must be, since that's how your stated "logic" seems to work. In fact, they fought so hard that they did something unheard of in the industry (so far)--they kicked out ALPA and started a new union, with the sole purpose of advancing THEIR particular idea of "fair" (DOH). That is USAPA's sole premise and reason for existence. And of course, this was AFTER an agreed-upon neutral third party had already ruled, and AFTER their initial round of appeals to ALPA and the courts had failed.

You say that you're outside of USAPA; I suppose I'll take you at your word about that. However, your "outside" views of this situation are in an incredibly miniscule minority. I'd bet that if you did a poll of all airline pilots, outside of USAir east and west, that 95 (or more) out of 100 would say that the Nic award should have been implemented years ago.

Bubba

 

[Turtle21]

That's kind of a stupid one-sided comment. The east pilots are fighting equally as hard; are they fighting to protect their "windfall"? They must be, since that's how your stated "logic" seems to work. In fact, they fought so hard that they did something unheard of in the industry (so far)--they kicked out ALPA and started a new union, with the sole purpose of advancing THEIR particular idea of "fair" (DOH). That is USAPA's sole premise and reason for existence. And of course, this was AFTER an agreed-upon neutral third party had already ruled, and AFTER their initial round of appeals to ALPA and the courts had failed.

You say that you're outside of USAPA; I suppose I'll take you at your word about that. However, your "outside" views of this situation are in an incredibly miniscule minority. I'd bet that if you did a poll of all airline pilots, outside of USAir east and west, that 95 (or more) out of 100 would say that the Nic award should have been implemented years ago.

Bubba

Oh, yeah the unknowable reference to the "certain" bandwagon group think approach that wins over multiple trips through the courts (even up to SCOTUS)....

Whaaa. :laugh:

 

[Metrojet]

That's kind of a stupid one-sided comment. The east pilots are fighting equally as hard; are they fighting to protect their "windfall"? They must be, since that's how your stated "logic" seems to work. In fact, they fought so hard that they did something unheard of in the industry (so far)--they kicked out ALPA and started a new union, with the sole purpose of advancing THEIR particular idea of "fair" (DOH). That is USAPA's sole premise and reason for existence. And of course, this was AFTER an agreed-upon neutral third party had already ruled, and AFTER their initial round of appeals to ALPA and the courts had failed.

You say that you're outside of USAPA; I suppose I'll take you at your word about that. However, your "outside" views of this situation are in an incredibly miniscule minority. I'd bet that if you did a poll of all airline pilots, outside of USAir east and west, that 95 (or more) out of 100 would say that the Nic award should have been implemented years ago.

Bubba

Wow -
This view coming from someone who really took care of their merger SLI - lets see how your Air Tran brothers feel about how they were integrated with the SW list?

C'mon Bubba - you missed the entire comparison of Puff- AWA pilots got so much more from the Nic than what they brought to the merged airlines.

The East guys are just trying to protect and maintain what they brought - nothing more - nothing less.

Please show me how it was a WINDFALL for any East Pilot and - and then you can tell me how much of a windfall the Air Tran Captains got ok at SW.

Metrojet

 

[SWA Bubba]

Oh, yeah the unknowable reference to the "certain" bandwagon group think approach that wins over multiple trips through the courts (even up to SCOTUS)....

Whaaa. :laugh:

Not sure what the hell you're talking about here.

Bubba

 

[Flybywire44]

Whoever fed you this garbage should be ashamed. The Nicolau list resulted in the vast majority of pilots keeping the same relative position between top and bottom as they had before the merger. No one outside USAPA has bought the windfall garbage and you shouldn't either.

I am outside the USAPA vs AOL conflict and I brought up the "windfall garbage" too.

A lot has changed since the Nicolai award was issued?it is outdated by age 65, the AA merger and its additional pilot group.