The END OF LEONIDAS is finally upon us

[johnnyb]

What is great is that in the end, the Westies will win out, primarily because as a group they are younger than your old Eastie group and 3/4 of the APA.



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That would make it roughly 10,000 vs 1100 - not good odds.

 

[General Lee]

17,883 :laugh:

This is a response when you can't respond. To top it off, you still haven't had one constructive post on FI. You and your group have zero integrity and will lose, and a loud cheer will result.


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[General Lee]

That would make it roughly 10,000 vs 1100 - not good odds.

Uh, what? The AA pilots overall are old. Many civilian pilots were hired when there was a B-scale in the 80s, and the Military guys went elsewhere. Then, when the B-scale went away, the Military guys came back, but now the Capts and FOs were all about the same age, meaning a lot will retire together, at the same time. The USAir Easties overwhelmingly are an old bunch, with the junior guy at 17 years when the NIC was done. Both of those two group will lose tons of pilots within the next decade. When the NIC award is implemented, the younger AWA group will come in and wait for those two groups to start retiring in droves. That would result in Westie 777 Capts when the fences come down, probably after a ten year fence (a guess). That will result in sweet justice.


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[johnnyb]

Basically you are talking about issues a decade from now that are about to be decided today.

10,000 to 1000

 

[General Lee]

Bunch of children on this thread.

Sorry old man....... Sounds like you can't debate any of the points anyway. Try this one: abiding by binding arbitration after you signed on the bottom line to do so......


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[General Lee]

Basically you are talking about issues a decade from now that are about to be decided today.

10,000 to 1000

No, it's called age difference. The AWA group on average is younger than the other two, and along with the NIC award, which will very likely be implemented prior to an arbitrated SLI with the APA, will mean plenty of younger Westies at the top EVENTUALLY. The Westies will be blended in prior to the AA SLI, and the older pilots above and below will just retire away. That is called justice, again. Where are you getting this 10,000 to 1000? The AWA plus the Easties do not equal 1000. (Total). And what is the average age of the top 6000 or 60% of the APA guys? I bet 55 and higher. How about the top 75% of the US Easties? Probably 58 and higher. It's just age differences.


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[johnnyb]

Subject to membership ratification

 

[johnnyb]

Where are you getting this 10,000 to 1000? The AWA plus the Easties do not equal 1000. (Total)


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You might want to pay attention to your own posts. You said the East pilot group (3500) and 3/4 of APA (9000) would be 'sweet justice' victims of the West pilot group - 1100 migs.

Do the math.

 

[Ocity]

Subject to membership ratification

And you did. PHX over 95%. Welcome to the World according to George Nicolau.

 

[General Lee]

Subject to membership ratification

Ah, Parker will press for it, or you get "Nothing else" for years. Wall St wants a clean merger. Don't worry, you will be sold out by the senior guys. Remember all those guys I talked about in the "55 and older range?" They will push for pay and benefits to help pad their retirements. The top 500 Easties already gave in to USAPA and lost tons of money keeping the old US contract. That won't happen again. And, the AA guys will want a ten year fence on 777s and bases, which will cover them until retirement. If they get that, they will sell you out. The AWA guys will win within 10 years.


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[General Lee]

You might want to pay attention to your own posts. You said the East pilot group (3500) and 3/4 of APA (9000) would be 'sweet justice' victims of the West pilot group - 1100 migs.

Do the math.

8000 of them(APA and Easties combined) will retire in 10 years, leaving the 1000 Westies very senior. Yep, I did the math, and the Westies will eventually outlast all of the senior Easties and APA guys. It's called FANTASTIC for the Westies.


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[Turtle21]

You might want to pay attention to your own posts. You said the East pilot group (3500) and 3/4 of APA (9000) would be 'sweet justice' victims of the West pilot group - 1100 migs.

Do the math.

:laugh:

 

[General Lee]

:laugh:

Your laughing will turn to a big frown soon Turdy.


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[Flybywire44]

8000 of them(APA and Easties combined) will retire in 10 years, leaving the 1000 Westies very senior. Yep, I did the math, and the Westies will eventually outlast all of the senior Easties and APA guys. It's called FANTASTIC for the Westies.


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The math is not that hard General, the West pilots will 'inherit the earth' with or without Nicolai.

A 10 year 777 fence would likely apply to the 787 also due to the 777/787 common type.

Delta's 747 fence was only 5 years. I'm sure NW pilots wanted a 10 year fence too, but that didn't happen.

What is your source on AA pilots wanting a 10 year 777 fence?

 

[General Lee]

The math is not that hard General, the West pilots will 'inherit the earth' with or without Nicolai.

A 10 year 777 fence would likely apply to the 787 also due to the 777/787 common type.

Delta's 747 fence was only 5 years. I'm sure NW pilots wanted a 10 year fence too, but that didn't happen.

What is your source on AA pilots wanting a 10 year 777 fence?

AA has a lot more widebodies than US, and DL and NW had about the same number of 744s and 777s. The arbitrators decided it was fair to equate the 744 and the 777, and had an equal fence. AA and US on the otherhand, aren't even close when it comes to widebody numbers. (Including orders). When NW and Republic merged Republic had a small number of 757s, and the arbitrator put a 20 year fence on the 747 for Captains. So, conservatively, I would think the AA guys would go down the middle and at least protect their last 10 years, before the majority leave anyway. I'm sure they will ask for fairly long fences to protect what they have and what they have ordered prior to the merger announcement. What the arbitrators do is obviously up to them, but the current USAir is not big internationally, with a small number of A330s and some older 762/757s doing the rest.


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[eaglesview]

Sorry old man....... Sounds like you can't debate any of the points anyway. Try this one: abiding by binding arbitration after you signed on the bottom line to do so......


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Don't work for the East, the West or AA old man. You just like repeating that same line over and over you miss basic facts about people.

 

[General Lee]

Don't work for the East, the West or AA old man. You just like repeating that same line over and over you miss basic facts about people.

Basic facts? You mean people ON an anonymous board? Or am I missing the fact that the East agreed to a process, signed on the bottom line, and then decided to do something radical when they didn't like the award and explanation from NIC himself? What is so tough about that? What is missing there? It's about as simple as it gets, it's "Fourth Grade" trickery. It's people with zero integrity ruining a process because they are jerks. Some people, maybe you apparently, need to keep hearing the same lines over and over, to get the truth into your thick skulls. Don't sign up for something unless you intend to follow through with it. Basic stuff. If you don't, you deserve only bad stuff coming your way.


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[Turtle21]

Don't work for the East, the West or AA old man. You just like repeating that same line over and over you miss basic facts about people.

With the volume he posts and the number of flame baits he posts on so many topics, it quickly becomes evident he is a poser, or a pilot that has interviewed at four majors and been rejected by six of them.

 

[Ocity]

With the volume he posts and the number of flame baits he posts on so many topics, it quickly becomes evident he is a poser, or a pilot that has interviewed at four majors and been rejected by six of them.

No, he's right. USAPA is the scum of the Earth.

 

[PuffDriver]

No, he's right. USAPA is the scum of the Earth.

So is AWA.

AWA=0 wide bodies=about a 2 month fence.

Nah, no windfall there.

Bottom line, USAPA trying to get rid of NIC at all costs
Leonidas trying to keep NIC at all costs
Reason: massive windfall for west at the expense of east pilots