The Early News on Obama's Aviation Picks - Scary Mary returns to power?

[Mamma]

Those jobs were bought on credit (federal debt). Now we have fix the long term problems of short term policies.

I was hired by two airlines during Bush's tenure so are you saying my FO jobs were bought on federal debt? Also, who exactly is the cause of this credit problem? I suppose you will say it is all Bush's fault. People like you are the reason this country won't come together. You refuse to see anything outside your partisan point of view. Try being a little more flexible and open and many pieces of the puzzle will become visible to you. It is my opinion this problem we are in today in regards to the economy is everyone's fault...Congress, Fed, Bush Admin, banks, Americans. Greed, stupidity, arrogance, a complete lack of accountibility and wanting something for nothing has become ingrained in our culture and until we weed it out I don't see things getting much better in the long term. If you lay all the blame at Bush's feet, you are going to let all the rest of the guilty walk away. I'm sure that is not what you want.

 

[Lear70]

Those jobs were bought on credit (federal debt). Now we have fix the long term problems of short term policies.

Speak English lately?

Not to mention, what the hell are you talking about?

Maybe you're getting a bit ahead of yourself, because that's EXACTLY what Obama is planning on doing. Buying jobs on federal debt. Who do you think is going to pay for all those roads and bridges he wants to build?

He's going to create a LOT of long-term problems with his proposed policies on health care, doubling minimum wage over just a few years, not to mention his tax plan screwing big business who are already feeling the pinch from the credit markets.

I'm not a Bush fan, but you want to talk long-term problems? Take a look at Obama's proposals. We *MIGHT* benefit from some more labor-friendly people in the NMB, but the economy overall is NOT going to get better anytime soon.

Will we survive it? More than likely. Will it be a new era of profitability and prosperity for America? How much do you want to bet on it?

 

[CaptSeth]

You neglected to mention the pre-emptive war that was foisted on the American people based on false pretenses at best, and outright lies at worst. This destabilized the oil markets and put a lot of us out of work.

 

[zman]

Speak English lately?

Not to mention, what the hell are you talking about?

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Dude I got tears in my eyes from laughing!!!

 

[pipejockey]

Do you own property you plan on selling?

Do you own a small business on the side?

Some of us do...

And if because of those 2 things you end up having an income above 250,000 grand, then good!! I hope you and those people get soaked with taxes!! It's high time that the people with the big bucks, 250grand plus, start paying the lions share of taxes. The little guys have seen the rich have a field day with the present administration. They have run companies into the ground while lining their pockets, they have destroyed pensions all the while lining their own pockets, they have deteriorated the working mans wages, especially of the airlines employees and pilots in particular. while you guessed it, lining their own pockets. It's time for the hammer to fall on these pukes.

If you are earning more than 250 grand, you have well above the minimum finances to put a modest roof over your head, and food in your mouth. The problem with the pukes that earn that much, is that they have to buy their fancy homes, and 50G plus vehicles, instead of buying a home in the median price range, or a 20-25grand car etc.

It's so funny listening to these people b*tch and moan about having to pay some more taxes when their are people out here that are having all they can do paying for their below average priced home, their 10G USED car, their insurance, elec., student loans etc. For all of the rich out there....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!:beer:

 

[rigger]

And if because of those 2 things you end up having an income above 250,000 grand, then good!! I hope you and those people get soaked with taxes!! It's high time that the people with the big bucks, 250grand plus, start paying the lions share of taxes. The little guys have seen the rich have a field day with the present administration. They have run companies into the ground while lining their pockets, they have destroyed pensions all the while lining their own pockets, they have deteriorated the working mans wages, especially of the airlines employees and pilots in particular. while you guessed it, lining their own pockets. It's time for the hammer to fall on these pukes.

If you are earning more than 250 grand, you have well above the minimum finances to put a modest roof over your head, and food in your mouth. The problem with the pukes that earn that much, is that they have to buy their fancy homes, and 50G plus vehicles, instead of buying a home in the median price range, or a 20-25grand car etc.

It's so funny listening to these people b*tch and moan about having to pay some more taxes when their are people out here that are having all they can do paying for their below average priced home, their 10G USED car, their insurance, elec., student loans etc. For all of the rich out there....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!:beer:

Wow Wealth envy at it's finest!

Pipe, what percentage of total income should someone making 250K pay towards taxes
10% 20% 30% What do you feel is the right amount?

 

[Lear70]

*sigh*

It's not JUST the rich or over-$250k people who are going to get dinged by this (my AGI will probably be a little over $70k)

Capital gains is capital gains. Your income bracket doesn't matter for crap when it comes to the increase on capital gains. They're two separate taxes.

I'm all on board for a FLAT tax with no deductions set at 20%. Takes care of the loopholes the wealthy find while not penalizing the middle class. I'm also all for an elimination of income tax completely and increasing SALES tax to about 20% so we can nab all the people who are illegal aliens or other day workers who don't pay taxes at all, and I'd be a much happier camper if THIS was what Obama had in mind, but it's not.

Seth, you're right about the war. Like I said, not a Bush fan.

That said, the problem with oil was NOT the war. Otherwise, we would have been having this discussion 4-5 years ago. The problem with oil was mostly the speculators, combined with a decrease in the spending power of the U.S. Dollar, combined with the beginning of the housing bubble burst.

It's all a combined effect, not just one thing, that gives us the problems we have in the economy. Economics 101

 

[jegermeister]

Speak English lately?

Not to mention, what the hell are you talking about?

Forgive my typing skills. And lack of proof reading for a quick response to an open forum.

What am I talking about? Do really not see the level of federal spending that has been going on since 9/11? I know it's for national defense and money to defeat the bad people.

Now before you get all worked up. I'm not for blank checks. Those blank checks take the form of defense contracts and solar cell grants.

In the end, we need a balance of where those checks are going and to the total amount being written. For the past 8 years we haven't seen a balance of policy ( foriegn, domestic, energy, trade,....).

This past election is a reflection of that lack of balance. Will Obama do any better? For your sake and mine, I hope he does.

Jeger

 

[Lear70]

Forgive my typing skills. And lack of proof reading for a quick response to an open forum.

What am I talking about? Do really not see the level of federal spending that has been going on since 9/11? I know it's for national defense and money to defeat the bad people.

Now before you get all worked up. I'm not for blank checks. Those blank checks take the form of defense contracts and solar cell grants.

In the end, we need a balance of where those checks are going and to the total amount being written. For the past 8 years we haven't seen a balance of policy ( foriegn, domestic, energy, trade,....).

This past election is a reflection of that lack of balance. Will Obama do any better? For your sake and mine, I hope he does.

Jeger

Can't argue with a bit of that.

I, too, hope that Obama has a plan that doesn't involve out-of-control taxation of the mid- to large-size corporations and the wealthy to where all of those people take their wealth and invest it OUTSIDE the U.S. I say that, because that's EXACTLY what the wealthy and corporations are preparing for - they're already beginning the asset shift.

Why didn't we see a big gain or a big loss in the stock market the days following the election (although, arguably, the market has been trending downward since then)? This one's important:

Because the market already forcasted Obama's victory and dropped thousands of points in the month leading up to the election.

The market has already spoken, and voiced their level of confidence in an Obama administration, by the huge pullback of capital out of the market and the jitteriness since election day.

I hope he gets it right, too. For everyone's sake. But the financial experts aren't seeing it that way at all right now, and I'm certainly not smart enough to 2nd guess them.

 

[brokedash]

Well, let's see here:

Financial meltdown of the credit markets with bank greediness in issuing loans that never should have made it to closing, a catastrophe in the early years that was unforeseeable, combined with out-of-control energy price speculation results in loss of jobs and economic downturn.

Complete turn towards socialism, redistribution of wealth, doubling or tripling the number and payouts of government aid programs (yes, he's said that), socializing health care (which will rape the medical community like the aviation community has been the last two decades), and capital gains taxes that will make medium and large businesses take even MORE of their production jobs out of the U.S. and into foreign countries, much less make them want to INVEST back in the U.S. markets.

Yeah, there's a big difference. One is just crappy timing and the general ebb and flow of the economy, the other is deliberately setting on a course that will slowly screw up many, many companies and, as a result, employees of those companies, not to mention increasing the federal deficit trying to pay for all of it.

You're going to get change alright...

On the other side of the coin many of those medical related services are getting what they deserve. Being a doctor is not supposed to be about driving in a luxury car, flying a 182 on the weekend or vacationing on a luxury yacht. It is about diagonising and treating medical patients. Another sector that is going to get it are the greedy health insurance companies who look to decline coverage for a growing number of Americans while the MDs milk insurance for garaunteed payment. Least we forget the pharmasuteicals (sp) who produce the medicines that cure the sick. Why is they keep looking for reasons to jack prices? Maybe that is why more sick people go without treatment, beacuse they simply can not afford the meds and despite what the phamasuticals want us to belive, the manufacturing of drugs has not greatly changed over the past couple of decades.

What goes around comes around, and it looks like the greed that has corrupted health care is about to get a nice big enema.