The difference between Skywest and Mesa??

[XPOO]

Is it only the Skyworst dispatchers in here, being the biggest tools? The ones that couldn't hack it as pilots?


HOW IN GODS NAME DID YOU GET GAY BASHING OUT OF MY POST? Dude, lay off the crack, before you get a random testttt

I am pretty sure everyone here knows that John Goodman lives an alternative lifestyle. Therefore, I believe, you were purposely gay-bashing him with your comment.

 

[WalterSobchak]

I am pretty sure everyone here knows that John Goodman lives an alternative lifestyle. Therefore, I believe, you were purposely gay-bashing him with your comment.

Not to throw you under the bus, bro...but Goodman is married with kids. I mean, unless he's underground...

 

[Metro752]

I had no idea Goodman was a fag, haha, even funnier

 

[XPOO]

Not to throw you under the bus, bro...but Goodman is married with kids. I mean, unless he's underground...

Yeah, I've never heard of a married man with kids not being gay. Oh wait, what about Larry Craig? John Travolta? or maybe Tom Cruise?

 

[time builder]

Good ol' Wikipedia does a pretty good job of summing it up for us:
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Thank you Walter and Wikipedia.

Seriously, this calling Skywest a "major airline" is a big ol' pet peeve of mine. If it makes you feel better to call yourself a "major airline pilot" while making regional wages, all I can do is roll my eyes and move on.

I'm sure my job is far less glamourous anyway. Sure, I'm a captain of a turboprop, but in the end, folks just see it as a dirty little old puddle jumper, and saying "turbo" is just another buzz word when you still have props on the plane.

 

[rstev1955]

Could just be me, but I think Skywest has much hotter flight attendants with much better attitudes.

Maybe that is because Skywest discriminates and actually gets away with it. There are height vs weight proportion limits (as well as being able to walk down the aisle facing forward) for FAs. If other U.S. airlines were so discriminatory, they would have hotter flight attendants too.

 

[bmpilot2003]

Maybe that is because Skywest discriminates and actually gets away with it. There are height vs weight proportion limits (as well as being able to walk down the aisle facing forward) for FAs. If other U.S. airlines were so discriminatory, they would have hotter flight attendants too.

Have you looked in the back of your RJ lately? It's not as big as you think it is. There are reason for the restrictions that apparently you can not grasp.

 

[DX Rick]

Is it only the Skyworst dispatchers in here, being the biggest tools? The ones that couldn't hack it as pilots?

Paul, we all know you finally made it big time at PSA and you're the best of the best CRJ pilots out there, due to ALL your previous flight time flying cargo in the Hawker.
In the last 6 months or so you've become a prick and just opening your mouth, saying the most off the wall things. I know you're trying to be funny, but your constant bashing of SKYW and some other regionals has gotten tiring.

Just remember where you came from and what you were doing just over a year ago. You were one of the lucky ones who was struggling to get your ratings at a FBO in the Chicago area, packed up it for Florida for ALL ATP, which is fine and dandy. You got lucky that Randy gave you a job at USAJet with the time you had, and the money you were making blows the Regionals away.
You decided to make the jump (or FALL, how ever you look at it) to PSA and told me several times on AIM that you wouldn't get bitter or get caught up in the "My Regional is better than your Regional" bickering.
You know damn well, that if you had SKYW required flight time, you would have been pounding on their door for a job, just like everyone else who wants to be based in Chicago. Don't tell me you see/saw something so special in PSA and living in Dayton was much more better than SKYW.
And don't say that it's because SKYW pilots stance on ALPA, we've had that discussion too.
Now if you're on here to slam strangers and friends, that's fine. But in the process you're making yourself look like a complete idiot, and not a comedian.

 

[Skaff]

Paul, we all know you finally made it big time at PSA and you're the best of the best CRJ pilots out there, due to ALL your previous flight time flying cargo in the Hawker.
In the last 6 months or so you've become a prick and just opening your mouth, saying the most off the wall things. I know you're trying to be funny, but your constant bashing of SKYW and some other regionals has gotten tiring.

Just remember where you came from and what you were doing just over a year ago. You were one of the lucky ones who was struggling to get your ratings at a FBO in the Chicago area, packed up it for Florida for ALL ATP, which is fine and dandy. You got lucky that Randy gave you a job at USAJet with the time you had, and the money you were making blows the Regionals away.
You decided to make the jump to PSA and told me several times on AIM that you wouldn't get bitter or get caught up in the "My Regional is better than your Regional" bickering.
You know damn well, that if you had SKYW required flight time, you would have been pounding on their door for a job, just like everyone else who wants to be based in Chicago. Don't tell me you see/saw something so special in PSA and living in Dayton was much more better than SKYW.
And don't say that it's because SKYW pilots stance on ALPA, we've had that discussion too.
Now if you're on here to slam strangers and friends, that's fine. But in the process you're making yourself look like a complete idiot, and not a comedian.

He he he....PSA.

 

[goodpilotithink]

The same captain st SKYW would make $69 if the flight got canceled.

The Mesa guy would get $0

For working only one hour that day the captain at SKYW would make $264

The Mesa captain $69

If that same flight over blocked by 30 minutes the SKYW guy would make $103.50

Mesa guy $69

If another SkyW guy dead headed on that flight he would make $69

I think the Mesa guy gets $34.5 ( I could be wrong on that).



Thats just a small example of the difference.

How might those numbers look if not for the many Unionized Pilots who have invested millions of dollars and put their jobs on the line, Comair for 89 days, over the years while the Skywest pilots have ridden on their coat tails.
If none of us had Union representation, like Skywest, we would ALL be working for block, would have no pay protection, and would be getting zero match in our 401k. Motel Six would be expanding and NONE of us, not just the Skywest Pilots, would have any say in our daily lives.
So please don't brag about your pay and work rules on here. You should be thanking the Unionized Pilots on here for the money they have invested and the fights they have had to fight . It was because of them, us, you have those work rules and pay rates.....

 

[No.W.]

How might those numbers look if not for the many Unionized Pilots who have invested millions of dollars and put their jobs on the line, Comair for 89 days, over the years while the Skywest pilots have ridden on their coat tails.
If none of us had Union representation, like Skywest, we would ALL be working for block, would have no pay protection, and would be getting zero match in our 401k. Motel Six would be expanding and NONE of us, not just the Skywest Pilots, would have any say in our daily lives.
So please don't brag about your pay and work rules on here. You should be thanking the Unionized Pilots on here for the money they have invested and the fights they have had to fight . It was because of them, us, you have those work rules and pay rates.....

There are plenty of union pilots and pilot groups that have done the same...there are plenty that have sold out their brothers to get ahead. Your 2% does not go to do as much as you think it does. The ALPA PAC is arguably more effective than plain old ALPA national. Most union pilots don't even vote for the candidate their union endorses or contribute to the ALPA-PAC. The PAC is the organization that really "gets it done" at the national level. So don't you come on here taking credit for all the safety and other improvements ALPA has spearheaded when you probably don't even give to the PAC. I don't give money either...so I guess we are the same in that regard.(and I didn't when I was at CoEx either). If you do give to the PAC...then good on you...and I stand corrected. I think you'll agree, though, that most ALPA pilots do not contribute(and thus could be lumped into the "coattails" group).

As far as the contract provisions...we don't even HAVE a contract at SkyWest. So don't begrudge us the policies we enjoy now...they are changing DAILY...and NOT for the better. Did you stand on the picket line at Comair? If you didn't...then you are also "riding on the coattails" of a much stronger group of professionals than most. Don't think your 2% buys you that right. Support is more than money. I know of SkyWest pilots who refused to fly any routes that even smacked of struck work during that time(I wasn't here)...and the company eventually came around to support them. From what I understand, that was not a 'nice' time for a lot of those people at SkyWest. How would you like to face down your management without the backing of your union? Would you still do it? Those guys did...(yes, they were only a few...but the point is made).

If ASA would have struck, you would have witnessed most(if not all...but I gotta leave room for the tools)...SkyWest pilots refusing to fly that work(myself included) at the peril of our jobs. That's just how it works. We don't have a union...and I think that makes us very unwise...but it doesn't make us stupid. Pencil whip policy changes abound at SkyWest. For every policy that we "gain" we lose 3 others to the "chess match". We've got some good stuff, still, but it's not guaranteed. Telling us we OWE EVERYTHING to unionized pilots, though, is going too far.

 

[GearBayOverheat]

ALPO can't do anything to help xjt. You would all be wise to vote in whatever skywest offers. You all are going out and I'm going to have my 11 month upgrade!!!

 

[Erlanger]

...I know of SkyWest pilots who refused to fly any routes that even smacked of struck work during that time(I wasn't here)...and the company eventually came around to support them. From what I understand, that was not a 'nice' time for a lot of those people at SkyWest. How would you like to face down your management without the backing of your union? Would you still do it? Those guys did...(yes, they were only a few...but the point is made)...

The issue over flying Comair struck work back then was very easy. We voiced our concerns just before Comair went on strike and Skywest management said no pilot would have to fly. All Comair struck work was flown by Skywest management.

 

[10nCLR]

The Kool-Aid Man is a SkyWester not a MESAsuckster.

 

[goodpilotithink]

There are plenty of union pilots and pilot groups that have done the same...there are plenty that have sold out their brothers to get ahead. Your 2% does not go to do as much as you think it does. The ALPA PAC is arguably more effective than plain old ALPA national. Most union pilots don't even vote for the candidate their union endorses or contribute to the ALPA-PAC. The PAC is the organization that really "gets it done" at the national level. So don't you come on here taking credit for all the safety and other improvements ALPA has spearheaded when you probably don't even give to the PAC. I don't give money either...so I guess we are the same in that regard.(and I didn't when I was at CoEx either). If you do give to the PAC...then good on you...and I stand corrected. I think you'll agree, though, that most ALPA pilots do not contribute(and thus could be lumped into the "coattails" group).

As far as the contract provisions...we don't even HAVE a contract at SkyWest. So don't begrudge us the policies we enjoy now...they are changing DAILY...and NOT for the better. Did you stand on the picket line at Comair? If you didn't...then you are also "riding on the coattails" of a much stronger group of professionals than most. Don't think your 2% buys you that right. Support is more than money. I know of SkyWest pilots who refused to fly any routes that even smacked of struck work during that time(I wasn't here)...and the company eventually came around to support them. From what I understand, that was not a 'nice' time for a lot of those people at SkyWest. How would you like to face down your management without the backing of your union? Would you still do it? Those guys did...(yes, they were only a few...but the point is made).

If ASA would have struck, you would have witnessed most(if not all...but I gotta leave room for the tools)...SkyWest pilots refusing to fly that work(myself included) at the peril of our jobs. That's just how it works. We don't have a union...and I think that makes us very unwise...but it doesn't make us stupid. Pencil whip policy changes abound at SkyWest. For every policy that we "gain" we lose 3 others to the "chess match". We've got some good stuff, still, but it's not guaranteed. Telling us we OWE EVERYTHING to unionized pilots, though, is going too far.

I don't see how any reasonable person could argue my point. You DO owe it ALL to Unionized pilots. I wont rewrite my post because it speaks for itself.
And yes, I did walk the picket lines. I even worked with our Brothers and Sisters at ASA picketing in DFW in our support.
They were very supportive and I will always owe them a debt of graditude.

 

[No.W.]

I don't see how any reasonable person could argue my point. You DO owe it ALL to Unionized pilots. I wont rewrite my post because it speaks for itself.
And yes, I did walk the picket lines. I even worked with our Brothers and Sisters at ASA picketing in DFW in our support.
They were very supportive and I will always owe them a debt of graditude.

That's fine.

I'm reasonable...you say you walked the line at Comair and supported your brothers and sisters at ASA...you put your money where your mouth is.

I don't think IT's reasonable to make such broad generalizations EVER(as in we OWE it ALL). The real truth is always more nuanced than that. These kinds of broad generalizations only result in useless banter and arguing. Broad generalization is a political tool...and one used very effectively...on both sides...to defeat our last(probably periord) ALPA drive at SkyWest. It does not promote effective debate...it only says, "if you don't agree with me...shutup." Many of us who supported the ALPA drive at SkyWest and voted yes had to not only debate the valid points, but also blunt the "tone" of statements like your own. Do you think, given the opportunity to join a brotherhood, that a pilot would want to do so with a proverbial gun to the head? Your attitude and beliefs are not helping the issue. While your principals are sound and you have valid facts and your own integrity to back them up...your public statement of them as a diatribe against SkyWest pilots is one of the reasons we remain without legal representation. Many "fencesitters" were pretty pissed off at the statements of other pilots at our company and elsewhere...basically, "join ALPA because you OWE it ALL to us anyway."

It's too bad, because the OC ran a very professional and intelligent campaign.

So if you are going to blame us for riding on your coattails(and make that broad generalization), I'm going to have to say that your brothers and sisters who made those very broad statements during the drive...and held that proverbial gun to our heads...are more to blame for the failure of ALPA at SkyWest than anyone else. And, again, this happened both internally and externally.(so it's not just 'everyone else' I am blaming...a lot of SkyWest employeed ALPA supporters were the same way).

It's politics. People are lemmings. People are a mob. If you piss them off...they are going to give you the finger and vote for someone else. ALPA national was savvy. The OC was savvy. Unfortuneately the 'community' was not so savvy and pissed enough lemmings off that a trail was blazed right over the cliff. The fault for that spins right back around to the pilots, from inside SkyWest and outside SkyWest, who couldn't enter into an intelligent debate. Those who simply issued insults and ultimatams(sp?) are the ones who are primarily to blame for driving the lemmings over the cliff.

You can continue to believe that SkyWest OWES it ALL to you and other union carriers. I won't debate that anymore...because it will only spiral into ridiculousness. You have the integrity to back that up because you've actually fought the fight. However...if you continue to PUBLICALLY disrespect the 'work' that has been done by those doing their best to work 'within the system' at SkyWest you are only defeating yourself. Those same people are the ones with the loudest and most effective voices at SkyWest. If there is EVER going to be a union at SkyWest...we need those voices to support us...and insulting their 'work' and 'effort'...not matter what the truth about said 'work' and 'effort' or the results thereof...is NOT the way to gain their support. I'm not talking about 'wimping out'...we, as a pilot community generally, and as union supporters specifically(both within and without SkyWest) NEED to learn to rise about the schoolyard antics and rhetoric. I believe there could have been enough "yes" votes at SkyWest if an intelligent and honest debate had been maintain by ALL involved. If that had happened...this discussion we are having would have been moot.

I've said enough. Sorry for the thread drift.